KholdStare54: 1. It's not that much time waiting for others to watch cutscenes.

2. It's not a big deal entering a boss fight late because someone pulled while you watched cutscenes.

So regardless of what happened, it's a nothing burger.

hypersleep9336: usually i agree but like... the cutscenes have always existed before trusts, and xeno is just making a problem over waiting an extra 15 seconds. theres no right or wrong but over time players have mutually agreed to just wait for others in a cutscene no matter if its a dungeon or not

BasitoPansito: yeah he is still bald in this video

thesunthrone: Xeems really wants you to hurry up so that he can get out of the dungeon and AFK in front of his house while he does a RACT, please understand, those 30 sec cutscenes really add up

reniuma: “you have to expect they are not going to play the way you want to play”

>proceeds to complain about people not wanting to play the way he plays

Kugaine: No way I'm doing trusts just to pander to folks going wild over a 20 second cutscene. That's a goofy ass take man.

Of course, the goober that refused to participate is way in the wrong here still. They blew it way out of proportion.

wezzco_br8169: The expansion is barely out.

The cutscene is not even that long, and there are chances people will die/wipe because they're new to the dungeon so these 10 seconds of CS wont even matter.

bathersbestie8986: "Do not expect everything to go your way" Xeno expects everything to go his way

zydeox1221: I mean like, it's just politeness and courtesy for sprouts and 1st timers to wait for them to watch their cutscenes. It really doesn't hurt to wait like 10s for them to watch it. Some dungeons have longer cutscenes but it's not very frequent.

wickedvahndyl: To rather get kicked and do it all over again than wait the grand whopping 10 seconds to let someone watch a cutscene is an insane hill to die on.

FieldMarshall3: "If you are wanting to watch the cutscene in a dungeon then you need to do the trust"

Right back at you. If you dont want to respect the 3 other people you randomly queued into and wait on their cutscene then you need to do the trust. It goes both ways.

luckytanuki5449: Best part of the video was xeno saying "some of you are just so close minded", while proceeding to then not open his mind to other opinions about just waiting 20 seconds for a cutscene to finish lul... How is he not called out more on his hypocrisy.

A3HQ: The amount of time Xeno has spent justifying why he doesn't wait for cutscenes in this video is already more than the amount of time he woulda had to spend waiting for people to watch cutscenes during his time playing ff

youngimperialistmkii: Xeno's take on dungeon cutscenes is very much the toxic side of Man Mode. And in answer to Xeno's question. I go through the story with other players. Because I like tp play this mmo, with other people.

1000BabyRage: Xeno does not do the main scenario roulette for sure.

Latios93: "If you want to play only your way, you need to use the Trusts"

It goes both ways. Same applies to you. Playing with random people means compromising. It's a 20 sec cutscene, let them have it.

nexscarecrow: Important context the cutscene hes saying he dosnt want to wait for is 8 seconds long

oriji8139: The cutscemes in dungeons last like 5 seconds

Ebaytoon: You literally get extra tomes for the people who watch the cutscene. Your time isnt wasted, its compensated.

WhiteDragonTC: just to the mindset "use trusts for cutscenes", quick reminder last time that people were shitting on new players for watching cutscenes ... they got mandatory for everyone. so i recommend just to wait the few seconds

SWHHReice: Rare L take with cutscenes m'liege.

adambaker4590: "If you want to play your way, and only your way, you need to do the trusts."

If you're going to play with other people, at least be somewhat considerate. If they are capable of using trusts "to watch cutscenes", you're capable of using trusts to "blast through content."

Don't be a hypocrite.

shugotama1636: Waiting for cutscenes is just the polite thing to do. It’s at most 20 to 30 seconds tops and not a big deal to wait. If you think its unreasonable to wait a bit for cutscenes, then you can go in with a full premade if you want to just skip.

Rogsnutle: "I refuse to play any differently than charging head on and ignoring everything else. I will not change this, I will always play this way."

"If you want to play your way, and only your way, then you need to use a trust".

So Xeno is only going to be using trusts from now, right?

stefsot2: dude rushed through the content in a day before the game was officially released and for some reason he is in a such a hurry he can't wait 10 seconds for a cutscene

bc9554: I remember coming into FFXIV as a WoW refugee and one of the points of pride in the community was "if a sprout is watching the cutscene, we wait" and it was honestly such a breath of fresh air to experience people with soul. Dunno if WoWification is what you want happening here.

Hammer1987: If you are only meant to watch cutscenes in the trust dungeons, then why didn't they remove cutscenes from non-trust dungeons?

No one is in so much of a hurry that they can't wait for someone to watch a short cutscene. Especially if it is the first time that player plays the dungeon.

harkov_416: Heyo, it's a new xpac, not even a month has passed, lol. So you can't wait for some people watching a short cutscene, but if the party dies to mechanics we have to watch you solo for way longer? That's a BALD take bruh, lol.

randomdude8544: "expecting players to warp the way they play to fit your needs, is idiotic" says the man telling people to play differently to fit his own needs.

Edit: removed an apostrophe from players because someone didn't like it.

flacksuage: "Don't expect people to cater to you, but I expect you to cater to me."

commentator098: how can a grown ass man have so little patience

siyrean: trust is still newish but etiquette was already established to wait for cutscenes. so you want the etiquette to change when its already been established

bips1757: You can also go to a fast food place and leave your trash on the table since there's no rule saying you cant but most of us have some damn sense and common courtesy

tanakaitoi: This is some Shopping Cart Theory level stuff really. You don’t have to, but should you?

EvenLessConspicuousHandle: You can pull the boss, but other ppl are allowed to want to watch it when queuing normally

HowliteTheWhite: I personally don't think enjoying cutscenes is mutually exclusive to a single player experience.

Some people like myself enjoy the nuances and complexities of running with other live people rather than NPCs for a wholesome experience, but they also don't want to miss out on cutscene introduction hype or additional lore. Doing Trusts prevents people from having to deal with other people if they so choose, but it doesn't mean it's only for cutscene enjoyers.

I think context is everything in most cases, especially here. If they're first-timers, it's proper etiquette to wait.

If they do not have a message stating that and just haven't taken the skip prior watched cutscenes off in their options, that's another matter.

Generally, a good rule of thumb is that if it's new content, it's expected to wait while others go through it once as they'd like.

I've also had first-timers notification dialogue and they opted to skip it immediately. There are people on both sides of the spectrum, but it's just nice to give people the option.

Knightsmaren: I don't understand the logic gymnastics to where he said "if they want to kick me from the dungeon it's fine." It's such a giant waste of time requeueing and doing the dungeon all over again instead of just waiting less than 20 seconds.

zekego: Xeno, if you do not want to do what the party wants......maybe it is you who should do the trusts.

crazymage5316: Ironic because of his lock in rant in a prior clip that if the party dies they should watch the tank solo a boss for 20 minutes

omnicloudv7: Sounds like you want to play YOUR way and ONLY your way. Seems like you need to use the trusts then. Yes I know you said you DO use the trusts. Good. So then when queuing up with people you should Know that some folks don't like using the trusts because it takes longer and still want to watch the cutscenes. If they are okay with skipping the cutscenes fine. But if they aren't okay with it, you can wait the few seconds it takes for them to get out of the cutscene. Just like you think people are over exaggerating how long trusts take. It takes WAYYY less time for folks to get out of the cutscenes. It's not inconveniencing you that much to wait 30 seconds to maybe a minute.

TheSlyde: Your take on what trusts are for is inherently wrong.

It was intended as another way to help those through story required dungeons (and some trials) to by pass long queue times (mostly DPS queues). In addition it was implemented in the game to help those who have social anxiety issues, as well as those who want to use trust to learn/play a job they are unfamiliar with without causing issues for others.

Your take that it was implemented to watch the story/cut scenes is just wrong and you are trying to force your way of playing on others. In a sense you are doing the exact thing you are accusing them of doing to you.

Kaggii: Personally, the reason i dont like to do trusts for my first time in dungeons is because i dont like that they spoil how to resolve the mechanics. If its my first time i want to have a little fun figuring out some quirky dungeon boss mechs, nothing to do with speed. EDIT: I should add this is pretty much specifically at expansion launches when its a pretty large chance youll get a full party of first timers so everyone is running around screaming

shadowsage2636: I like you xeno but i have to strongly disagree on the cut scene watching, don't be a selfish prick, and just let them view the cs, if YOU don't want to watch the CS then do it alone or with trusts, and keep in mind not every dungeon can use trusts, telling them to "go do trusts to watch cs" is incredibly selfish.

Also, no, the trusts were put in the game to prevent people being struck from HAVING TO WAIT 30 MINS FOR QUE FOR STORY CONTENT. has nothing to do with your selfish reasoning. it can be one of the reasons, but it's not the main. and again, NOT EVERY FIGHT CAN USES TRUSTS.

So if you go in, and die because you were to selfish to wait on the CS, this is entirely your own fault.

banana_1_: L take trusts take like 4 times as long as normal dungeons

Drewbacca7789: It’s almost like holding a door open for someone behind you. Do you HAVE to do it? No. But is it nice of you to do it? Yes.

That’s how I feel about cutscenes in dungeons.

I personally don’t like playing with Trusts. I play MMOs to play with other people. I get the trusts are there but I don’t know…it’s more fun playing with randoms for me.

I will say, he has a point about the trusts though, if you REALLY want that experience, you can do that.

Also, I don’t mind when someone pulls cuzz most likely, they are just gonna fail and we start from the beginning

kaloyaxeus: Buddy forgot his sense of politeness and common courtesy

blinktgaming: “Can’t expect everything to go your way” “you are all so close-minded” proceeds act close-minded and expect everything to go his way

fickleferret6641: I don't use the trust since I play the story with another person. We both watch the cutscenes, and if someone does just pull the boss anyway, that's fine. Most people extend the courtesy to wait, but I'm not going to throw a fit if someone doesn't. The take of "You can't expect other people to play your way" is absolutely correct since it goes both ways, but I feel like people didn't understand that

4SkippyRoo: literally bare minimum common courtesy

GoldElderDragonz: Its been a common theme in 99% of the groups i have run (and i mostly pug) that if someone is watching a cutscene you wait. It's like 30s its not a big deal to wait and the BONUS of doing things in multiplayer over trusts is that maybe you get to have a small conversation or comment about the story. its a cool potential interaction. I get the whole "dont expect people to play how you want to play" but also same to you. Dont expect people to do trusts when they could queue and interact with people in an MMO. The only dumb about this whole interaction in the video though is just quitting the dungeon instead of either kicking or making xeno wait.

OhSunchips: "Everyone else is stupid because they don't agree with my opinion"

Vanilla-Stinky-Heals: 1. The Trust system was only implemented in Endwalker , people still have the mentality of waiting for cutscene people to finish , yes , it's been 2 years , but I guarantee that 90% of people did not play for the entirety of it .

2. You die in Trust , you wipe , noone will revive you , noone will try to teach you or alert you , nothing , you'll raw dog it again for the next 10 minutes because "Oh FINALLY I get it!"

3. Why the Fuck am I playing an MMORPG , if I want to play a Single Player game?

RedLightz_TV: So if you want to watch a cutscene

You can’t play with friends or randoms?

But if you don’t want to watch a cutscene, then can’t play with friends or randoms?

So no one can have a good time?

Mann42: You can run to the boss before I finish the cutscene that's totally cool, I don't mind catching up, but not my fault if you die.

SgtSandflea: dude, it has been etiquette to wait for people in a cutscene. You can wait, the boss isn't going anywhere.

AtypicalWarrior: No xeems you wrong on this one

outofmana0218: Making this a video, looking over the footage and still posting this is wild. Definitely a bad take.

veemon9009: "Why dont you guys use trusts"

CAUSE THEY SUCK ASSSSSSSSSSSSSS

kylerook: His mentality will kill a game community.

Trusts are there for solo players and people who dont want to wait on others.

oktinaa: he really thought we were gonna agree with him

Shatterstar: It's common courtesy in this game and it takes less than a minute. Where do you have to be so damn bad where you can't give people a minute or two? If somebody had to BRB for something, would you be giving them the same grief?

ruggedlemmings9163: The only way I could see myself agreeing with the cutscene take is if there was no "It's Someone's First Time In The Dungeon!" message at the beginning. If that's the case then yeah, they should have the option on that auto-skips stuff you've already seen and be ready to go. But I'm not going to hold it against anyone watching the cutscene when I know there's first timers in there.

That said, flipping out and saying "No! We'll abandon and get someone new because the tank ran in during the cutscene!" before the final boss of a dungeon is just completely ridiculous. That's saying they would prefer wasting another 20 minutes of their lives than simply bang out a boss fight in a few minutes so everyone can go on about their business.

veliona8920: This is definitely making a mountain out of a molehill when you take into account how short the intro and outro cutscenes are in dungeons. Is it really worth expending the energy to completely mald out dying to trash in a dungeon because you couldn't be bothered to wait a whopping 10-15 seconds to start pulling? Take a drink of your favorite beverage or alt tab out to twitter to like and retweet that Bunny Girl in a G-pose or something. Literally all of this this could have been easily avoided.

MrJake8555: on one hand, let the sprouts watch their cutscenes, on the other hand, normalize just not freaking out that that boss is at 95% when your cutscene is done

ssr66669: so you have no problem doing a 15 min dungeon but 20 seconds of cutscene is too long to wait what a bald take

akiraokami: If you pull and die because I'm in a cutscene, that's on you.

If I start bitching because you pulled and died while I was in a cutscene, that's on me.

But the funny thing is, your argument that they put in the trust system for people who want to watch cutscenes... the exact same logic can be used back at you, they put the trust in for people who want to just go, go, go without waiting for other players.

Long story short, regardless of which one you are, don't be a dick.

FieldMarshall3: Not waiting 10 seconds because someone new wants to watch the cutscene for the first time is definitely an L take.

Your argument of "just do it with trust if you want to watch cutscenes" can be countered with "just do it with a premade/trust if you dont want to wait on cutscenes". When you join rando's in a leveling dungeon you have to respect each other and first timers obviously take priority. Thinking that its ok to not wait 10 seconds on someone who is new shows a complete lack of self awareness of the situation, its a really dick thing to do and is disrespectful to the 3 other random people you queued into no matter how you try to spin this. If your 10 seconds are so valuable that you cant handle interacting with random's like a normal human being then just go make a premade/trust or something. This is such a dumb hill to die on.

dcajeton1712: BALD TAKE

ChaseCrossing: Idk I genuinely enjoy seeing people watching cutscenes - knowing it's their first experience of that part of the story, knowing exactly what story beats are in front of them.

I really don't think 10 seconds over a 20 minute dungeon is as big of an issue as you're blowing this up to be. Usually agree with your takes but this one just isn't it imo. They were kinda dumb for abandoning that late though lmao

Orphan_of_Kos_or_some_say_Kosm: Xeno's mentality of "my time is being wasted" borders on obsession. He wants to see jobs being trimmed down to the level of WAR/WHM/SMN because learning more "is a waste of time", he can't even wait 8 seconds out of respect for others because "muh time", it's insane.

As4ult67: The fact that they vote Abandon when they could kick the bald man is just too based, never change NA

YellOhPanda: Solution - Yoshi-P enforces cutscene watching in all dungeons. Problem solved, next drama plox

haydarinna631: None of the tanks should be able to solo any bosses period. Even ignoring all the healer strike stuff that just makes no sense.

jingliestpockets: You're breaking the social contract. Nobody in the community has ever had to do Trusts to see the cutscenes. Why would you expect the entire community to collectively decide to ruin their first experience with every dungeon by using Trusts because of the remote possibility that they'll end up in a group with the one person in all of FFXIV who won't wait 30 seconds? Even in 24-man raids, you can count on everyone waiting for everyone to finish the cutscenes. The very few times I've had to miss a cutscene because someone pulled early, they apologized for their mistake without me saying anything.

It's not the end of the world. I certainly wouldn't react this strongly if you did this in my group. I'd walk away from it thinking you were a dick, though.

sequences8942: You definitely told players to go to the inn in Castrum and Prae back in the day.

unboundsoul3582: XENO: You shouldn't expect people to agree with you or play how you want to play.

Chat: exactly, which is why they voted 3 to 1 to abandon the duty.

XENO: wait no not like that tho

TristanCDUB: Your take isn't wrong you cannot expect people to play the way you want them to, but it is well known that waiting for people to watch cutscenes is a common courtesy.

DerpyDerp254: Tbh if someone pulls before a cutscene is done, have fun with that, I'm not skipping my cutscene because you cant wait 10 seconds lmao

KamiSlayer86: Bro its a story game for like 60% of players. Wait for the cutscenes. If you're that toxic you run with trusts. First 52 seconds of this video dropped my respect for Xeno by 50%. Yes, im a mentor. I love helping sprouts learn, and even carrying them through as whm or war. Ill wait for the apology video before watching more.

passionfruit4219: The trust system only works if you are solo. If you are doing story with a friend or two there is no option to fill in with a trust.

Just relax for thirty seconds and let people enjoy their cutscenes. It's really not too difficult.

Jul 11 2024

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