user-qh6sg1dp1o: Black Cat makes me feel like I'm the main character again, I love her. Erenville and Krille being the top is understandable, because damn they deserve all the hugs for being sidelined in their own expansion.

FinalFrankie: I did like Wuk Lamat at first, but later started to resent her when we were paired with her as the other half of the group went elsewhere. I definitely wanted more time with other characters. I’m so happy we got that one-on-one time with Erenville and would have loved that with Krile as well.

DukeVesperia: You talking about Wuk Lamat coming at the end like Zenos did, those aren’t even in the same universe for how much better Zenos’ was. It felt unearned for Wuk as you said, and weird because the power disparity. It’s was too on the nose and cheesy, she’s literally talking to her in such a cringey was as well, it took me out of the amazing fight. Zenos breaking into Meteion’s Ultimatum, him questioning us with, how are we still not done with this despair felt great, and the moment the music kicks in and you jump on his back, I’m getting chills just thinking about it and I always do. Like him or not, that moment was executed 100x better.

lewis4369: Building your entire expansion around one character and then having them not even be ranked in the top 10 has to sting. A huge misfire from CS3.

user-jm1rt5yc5w: It’s a crime that Cornservant isn’t in the top 10.

xiakouxu: The problem with Wuk Lamat is she overstays her welcome when there are other characters are around and has minimal character development. It's kind of strange because I think people make a parallel comparison with her and Lyse and feels like they didn't learn from that.

I think a decent portion of the playerbase could take a break from her though lol -- would be nice if we can see more into the other characters in DT, Koana and so on. I definitely don't feel like they had enough screen time.

Edit: To build on this, I mean the other new characters. It's clear to me that they had a story to tell about Zarool and Bakool but they weren't given enough time and could have given been bigger parts.

This also applies to both Erenville and Krile who are other reasons we came to Tural. I feel like the story of Krile and Erenville should have a lot more in it than what we were given. Hell, I'd even say it'd be a better ending for a Trial if Wuk Lamat did come and help us -- but also with like the memories of the people we literally were just with in Living Memory to drive the point home.

Ramirez77: Honey B Lovely being over Wuk Lamat makes me happy. We see her for like… 2 minutes and have a fight with her over the main character of Dawntrail. Makes me happy to be a Groupbee!

miquefan: Sphene did not appeal to me at all, and we didn't spend enough time with her for me to care about her arc. I'm not familiar with the FF world outside of FF14 so none of those easter eggs registered with me. What did grab my attention were the mentions of The Preservation. It felt to me like this was set up as the next world threat, and I hope this continues into the next expansion. The Preservation could threaten Eorzea and other reflections which would give the WOL and the Scions an enemy force and a reason to visit new places.

XieRH1988: Not sure why are Yaana and Black Cat each occupying one spot when they're the same character

shintenkai1648: Nobody in my circle likes wuk, especially when she barges in during the final fight and takes a whole hour cutscene to scream sphene... voice is annoying as hell

bigtimetimmyjim6486: Erenville was #1 because he is just an overall good character who was utilized well whenever he became the focus of the story, which is not enough of the time. Erenville also gets a nod from me for being the only character to make me laugh during the MSQ; I think a lot of the "comedy" is really forced, but when we were gearing up to fight for the 7th keystone, the camera pans to each character to strike their battle pose, and then the camera pans to Erenville...and he runs away, I lost it. It did not really seem like something planned by a writing team, but a small touch added by a scene animator at the last minute.

Ryukai-san: TBH Koana giving up his chance at the throne to assist his 'country', as it were, should have been an auto win for him, because it shows he became someone that wouldn't be afraid of making difficult decisions for the good of his people. Just wish we could have been with Koana as he had more character development in the few cutscenes we saw him than Wuk had in the entire expansion.

Wuk just went from 'I'm gonna be the Dawnservant and bring peace to my people' (who were already at peace.....) to 'I'm the Dawnservant and will bring peace to my people' That's not character development that's just a change in catchphrase

danmarshall4812: Shale being below Wuk Lamat is unacceptable haha

OldManInternet: I would have been fine with Wuk Lamat if she just stayed in the city after becoming dawnservant. But I feel like the limited character growth she had in the 2nd half wasn't worth the exhaustion I was starting to feel with the character.

Bakool Ja Ja surprised me, because I really didn't expect my opinion of him to change as much as it did. But he was a big part of when the expansion started to really interest me, and I ended up enjoying the character. Erenville and Cahciua were great, and Otis was a pleasant surprise for me.

Honey B over Yaana/Black Cat feels criminal...

DoomTrooper90: Sphene - Evil, but hot. Also mildly sympathetic.

Elenesh'pya - Merits are self evident.

Cahciua - The mom we all remember fondly.

Krile - Excellent character development and story arc.

Wuk Lamat - Lyse 2.0 Rinoa from FF8, but somehow even worse than the combo suggests.

Bakool Ja Ja and Koana are generally interesting characters, as is Wuk Evu and Gulool Ja Ja. Honey is almost certainly there for the bee memes.

Squeenix still hasn't quite realized that you can't make a "likeable" character - it has to be organic. People hated Alphinaud for being a pompous little shit, but he had actual character development that was more focused on telling a good character story than making a "likeable" character. End result, he remains a fan favorite even today.

Every time they've tried to make a "likeable" character - Rinoa, Lyse and now Wuk - they fail miserably. Yet they keep trying. Its annoying.

0nearmedbandit: Erenville's JP voice actor just sounds like a normal deep and brooding guy with a relatively standard japanese accent. So idk if the icelandic accent was a factor here for this ranking.

siyrean: the first half Wuk was fine, it was her story and it made sense. the second half, we were firmly in Scion territory and they kept dangling the scions in front of us, making us think we were finally going to spend time with them, then just to take them away after one line. It was worse than if they weren't there at all.

cinadairanskywind1841: Think the problem with Wut Lamat was that it was poison chalice. The fact they had so much screen time had two effects, one we got sick of them, two they actually took away from us spending time with characters we liked. Even if they were a great character, the fact they were always there is pretty high on the list of reasons why I never want to see them again.

vincentbeton: Gotta love that mostly-comic-relief Wuk Evu even outdid the 'Protagonist'. Also, what exactly did Shale do to be relatively popular? I had to look up who that even was again

JLOGIAC: Wuk lamat is the big sword on Wow that needs to be forgotten, Thankyou

overlordzetta7410: Krile is awsome in a media landscape filled with girl boss charcters one that is sweet smart and kind is a breathe of fresh air. all love to krile Maya.

25xxfrostxx: Bakool Ja Ja has his meme potential but he is, unfortunately, the only character in the entire expansion that had any sort of arc or development. Even if it was an instant turn.

The writing in this expansion was startlingly terrible. The pacing, dialogue, character presentation and development, etc. was worse than old tribe quest lines.

I didn't dislike Wuk Lamat as a character and I thought her VA did good. I actually rather liked her in 6.55 but the Wuk Lamat in 7.0 was a completely different character. She was presented as putting forth false confidence because she was being pushed to do something that she didn't want to do but felt she had to. He was shaking after the bird fight. What we ended up with was a modern "western" style Mary Sue. She never once failed at anything she tried. She never got knocked down a peg to learn a lesson. Her only hurdles was just overcoming the same lack of confidence in the exact same way every could of hours just to instantly succeed outright.

It felt like they knew the character had no flaws so they tried to tack on the same, gets seasick, scared of alpacas, scared of balloons every hour and a half. Her only "heroes journey" was being forced to come to terms with the fact that she was awesome all along. It feels like "modern" western character design. Rey Skywalker, etc.

In the end, it was the writing but I am concerned that this made it to production through the development and oversight process. It wasn't a mistake, it was a very bad choice.

By the cutscene after the second raid fight, you suddenly realize that Yaana is a better presented, deeper, and more fleshed out character than Wuk Lamat was even at the end and you want to know more about the story when you just wanted Wuk to go away.

Kanamon22: I do share the sentiment behind that list.

Erenville and his (hot) mom are amazing characters. The fact that the last part of Living Memory was for those two speaks for themselves since you leave the best for last in some situations.

I did feel like they rushed Krile story, i love her and i'm totally bias but i think she deserve more, specially since at least for me this was the oportunity to spend more time with her.

Bakool Ja Ja is a fun character, and it's easy for me leave behind all the shit he did cause you know that wasn't his choise, was his only option until you show her there's another way. And more since he's really into attoning for what he did and not putting the blame on his past or story.

Koana is a waaaaay better character than Wuk, and have a lot of character development. Also he's a siscon and i find that awesome, gives him a touch of stupidity and out of character that makes him feel not one direction.

And the fact that Wuk Evu and Honey B are in the top 10 is mental.

Wuk is a character that i completely despise. Was ok with him on the pre patch, but during the expansion i felt like a babysitter of a toddler that didn't knew anything about the place she was raised and lived her entire life. The first half of the msq was beyond painful. And even when people try to fight really hard the idea that you're not babysitting, you're mentoring, is like... you do nothing for her except maybe a couple of options that doesn't really matter like all the options in 14. Second half just with Erenville was so much better, but then she had to stick again with us and everything had to revolve around her. Absolutely despise her, and comparing her to Lyse is an insult for her cause even when she was super annoying on SB, if you see the background it make sense the way she is.

People talk about how this isn't our expansion, we are not the MC, and i'm totally ok with that. For all i know i could be Erenville or Krile sidekick for the entire expansion and be happy if they have a good ending in their quest, can't same the same with Wuk as the MC.

yucarin: If there is a poll for most hated/unpopular , guess who will win. Or we all know that so there is no need to guess.

deadline6149: Wuk Lamat coming in mid-fight was completely unnecessary, i'm already annoyed at the game taking on the abit of WoL needing to always summon helpers to fight when we should be perfectly able to handle it by ourselves. (Azem crystal was really my least favorite addition to the story since they are abusing it now)

That scene felt like a bad copy of Zenos entrance in EW and it really felt cheap (i hate Zenos but i admit that scene was cool).

I don't really mind her getting screentime, the WoL took on the role of a mentor this expansion...but that last trial really was too much.

I guess i'm just bitter at the fact that the game suddenly forced us to fight in a party canonically when we've been fine alone for 4 expansions.

Maelferis: This list is the direct expression of everything that is wrong with DT MSQ.

RainBurner13: I wanted Krile to be the main character honestly :P

Jul 23 2024

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