Solver606: Honestly I wanted to fight just Miquella instead of a resurrected Radahn

sebastianmiranda3201: im not mad about radahn im mad that theres not enough info on godwynn

Marikus_Eternal: Here’s the way I feel like about it.

Nothing has been retconned. Miquella wanting Radahn to be his consort was never hinted at in the base game, but there was nothing that contradicted it as well and SotE made a good job at explaining it. The Battle of Aionia actually has context now.

With that being said, I still would’ve preferred Godwyn. Since his soul is dead, Miquella could’ve simply used Godwyn‘s body. Or A

KurwaRomek: I'd rather have fought Miquella on his own or another demigod we hadn't seen yet, be it Godwyn or an entirely new one

michaelbeasley9401: The yellow, red, and death lighting light show from a Godwyn fight would’ve melted everyone’s computer.

robizquierdo900: alright what's going on guys

tylerwastripped1590: For all we knew, Godwyn couldnt be restored by the eclipse because the celestial bodies were held in stasis. Thus Malenia coming after Radahn, to allow Miquella a chance to retrieve the soul of his hypothesized consort.

Now post dlc, Radahn's soul was somehow intercepted sometime after his death. Which i think merits some explaination too. Oh well.

MEISMUDKIPS: Personally, i think Leda is the one who brings Mohg's body to the shadow lands, maybe Radahn's but probably not. You meet her for the first time right after killing Mohg, and she tells you to go on in without her and that she'll catch up. She makes no mention of what she needed to do in the base game, but i don't know what else it would be other than that

calebgriffin4214: Going through the DLC, I knew Godwyn was a body without a soul, and saw Miquella divesting himself of his flesh, becoming a soul without a body. I thought (I think pretty reasonably) that Miquella was going to take over Godwyn’s body to overcome his eternal youth. I think that would have been an awesome fight, and it even could have been almost the same mechanically but with axes instead of swords and lightning instead of light

subject8776: They could've kept Radahn as a boss but choose a different final boss. The Ringed City had different grand and epic bosses too, twin demon princes, Midir and Gael and they did not have a big connection with each other, they had their separate significance.

Godwyn is not a bad idea for the final boss, his soul was killed but all death ends up in the land of shadows, a resurrection that makes him only be able to exist in that realm but not outside would've been plausible.

BlueOga: When you attack Fia under Godwyn multiple times, Godwyn protects her by casting rancors. So he's not exactly dead-dead completely, right?

joeparas: I'd be a lot less mad if i could fight him after Ranni ending with a Ranni cloak.

brendanrussi1016: I think a key point people are missing about the battle of Aeonia is that like ALL of Miquella’s plans, it failed to come to fruition. Or, said another way, it stopped prematurely - like Miquella himself. Another example of his curse from Marika

clame3065: Also, I feel the need to mention this, the reason Godwyn couldn't be revived isn't because he's "mega dead" -- it's because he's still alive. He's the first of Those Who Live In Death, the Death-Prince himself, it's a different form of life

alcoyot: Godwynn wouldn’t need to have his soul revived. You could fight the soulless manifestation of what you see of him in the game like in deep root. You could have that body husk be inhabited by miquella maybe, through some kind of ritual.

5ema55unto: Miquella seems like a completely different character on the DLC:

no action to 'cure' malenia; the whole eclipse thing not being mentioned (on the dlc);

Miquella works as 'craftsman';

Miquella using his own body to 'feed' the heligtree.

Even the fact that miquella has a body on the base game - while getting rid of it on the land of shadows.

Cas-ed9ob: Imo, godwyn was his first choice, but being unable to, chose radahn. I just wanted more gloam eyed queen.

guitaraholic: I think my bigger issue with the DLC is the NEW story lore is lacklustre in a lot of places beyond just Consort Radahn that feels 'odd' and 'missing' compared to the base game

- Why do we have not one , but two, story bosses in Rennala and Romina have NO real lore, voice lines, no intro cinematic, no foreshadowing or anything? It's just .... odd

Then ..... while the DLC does sort of foreshadow Radahn with the NPC storylines .... why does Radahns fight seem very wooden in its animations? Why, if part of Moghs revival, is there no weirdness in this scope and scale or implication it is a revived Radahn in Moghs body?

Why doesn't Radahn speak or made a single noise at all? Its a 'younger' Radahn but why doesn't he remember we defeated him once before? I find this SUPER odd and it makes Radahn feel like nothing more than a lifeless puppet.....

... once we beat Consort Radahn..... we get a cutscene that tells us what we already know? It doesn't offer closure of the arc of elden ring....

I feel like there is a final boss missing, or cutscenes missing that explain things ..... its VERY odd...... i have no issue with Consort Radahn being the final boss but it sort of feels like a 'is that it' ending?

I feel like there isn't 'end' of the story that aligned in any way with what the base game setup. FS love to leave things open to interpretation but this more linear ending actually STOPS us being able to theorise it.... all very hollow in its ending....

clnetrooper: The biggest problem of the dlc's ending is that there's no real ending.

INeedBloodborne2: If Godwyn dying from destined death a done deal, why did Miquella even attempt an eclipse for someone as smart as him wouldn't figure out that it won't work in the first place?

Tackitt: Prime Radahn is a prime example of something being over-designed into being bad. He's a table with 36 legs.

DanielDogLover: • After you beat Radahn/Miquella and it says “God Slain” did you feel like that you have just slain a God? Not from an enemy difficulty level, not from a lore or store perspective either. But do you feel like this was a God that you just killed after? (As opposed to a demi-god or legend).

• When I beat Radagon and the Elden beast I knew I killed a God. The presentation of the bosses and arenas, the two cutscenes, the new types of attacks, a two part fight, the feeling you beat the game. I’m not sure I had that same feeling of I just finished killing a God in the DLC.

• (Regardless of opinions the no two part fight seems like that’s very hard to justify for a God fight).

rainer9931: What drives me crazy is that the Godwyn plotline was such a slam dunk opportunity, it was so good, and they decided not to go for it in loux of, seemingly, fanservice, ehich I dont think theyve ever done before. Even the fanservice in Dark Souls 3 was never at the expense of great storytelling

magicoddball1452: Imagine if Slave Knight Gael was replaced by Champion Gundyr. But everything would've been explained in the DLC and only in the DLC. It is so dissapointing that one of my favorite games ends destroying the legacy of two amazing characters. Miquella had so much cool lore, but all the dialogue we get from him is how much he wants Radahns cheeks. It's terrible.

YannMetalhead: I think the reason is Godwyn and Miquella: everyone want to know more about Godwyn and Miquella, and we didn't get very much of either.

NoOne-gg5mc: In my opinion, Radahn was a better choice than Godwyn for one specific reason. It adds character.

Had Godwyn been the consort, what would've been added to the story? Honestly, I don't think anything substantial. We have a pretty good idea what sort of person he was and what he meant to everyone. The only thing not known to us was what he looked like before he mutated into a death mermaid. Seeing as nothing has been added means there was nothing more to learn of Godwyn, and having him as a final boss would've amounted to just spectacle.

So what does Radahn add? The fact that he was in OPPOSITION to Miquella shows what sort of person this kind demigod is. That his chosen consort seemingly rejected him, and that his response was to have him killed and stuff his soul inside a mute flesh golem, it reveals that for all his kindness, Miquella does not take rejection well. His compassion is not unconditional and it does not forgive divergence. In his age, you have to love him.

I think that sinister side of Miquella's character wouldn't be nearly as pronounced if Godwyn was his consort. Ansbach may have hinted at it, but Radahn's inclusion cemented it.

AeroZephron: I don't want a Godwyn fight, as much as I just want to see some of the pivotal moments in the story. The Night of Black Knives - The Shattering... I would have at least liked to see a couple of cutscenes that expanded on those details. I do think Godwyn staying "dead" is necessary to drive home the point of how important his death was. It was a tremendous loss and bringing him back does nothing but undermine that intent.

emperorxenu519: I didn't interpret the mid-fight cutscene as Radahn losing control and then Miquella calming him down, I just saw it as Radahn getting put on the back foot right as Miquella emerged from the Gate and most of what you see is him becoming Miquella's Consort. Could be wrong ofc but I think he's essentially mindless the entire time we see him.

fennec13: There was a lot of stuff the DLC could have covered - Godwyn (the eclipse), Melina, the gloam eyed queen, etc. re-treading Rahdan as the final boss

(yes, with Miquella) was fine - it's their game. I enjoyed Elden Ring and DLC immensely and spent hundreds of hours playing.

BUT, I can't help but feel it was more than a bit lazy, and not what I expected from FORMSOFT, it should have been Godwyn that was brought

back, his undying body is now the source of deathblight (or that was always his curse) but he would get a new body when his spirit is merged with

Mogh's corpse. After all Miquella's efforts and failed plans. IDK it just doesn't feel as well thought out. 10/10 still from me.

namirakira7138: I think it would’ve worked out if Radahn was the penultimate boss. Or we could’ve gotten a optional Miquella fight in Mohg’s arena.

It just felt like they went for a cheap Lothric and Lorian callback, not at all using what made them unique and engaging.

alcoyot: My issue more than the lore is that it’s just not a fun fight. Other times where the main boss is just big powerful warrior dude. Like soul of cinder or slave knight are actual fun fights you look forward to. Nobody is wanting to go back and fight Radahn again. Of every boss in the game he’s the only one I don’t look forward to again.

dilansh196: One month later I am still struggling with Consort Radahn

joesaiditstrue: I feel like the text "So Miquella made it his heartfelt wish" is meant to insinuate something very specific, other than him just being sweet on Radahn

GodChaos333: Alternate title: Why Ziostorm is so mad at the promised consort.

Phosphojas: It's not particularly bad, it's just that I'd have preferred any Godwyn asspull over him

Billyboy597: It is funny that we get a scene where Miquella is praying and making a "wish." This would parallel Marika praying and making a wish to the "Grandmother" in Shaman Village.

Miquella parallels Marika in some many ways. And there is a huge parallel between Radahn and Godfrey.

Otherwise, who is the Grandmother? David Hume would be instructive on not assuming causal connections

webbmerriam6984: My primary complaint is that it comes out of left-field if you're going off of the base game.

Sure, the DLC justifies it, but outside the LoS the only tangential connection between Miquella and Redahn was the duel with Malenia, which happened during the Shattering when everyone was fighting everyone anyway so there was no reason to infer a personal motive on Miquella's part

JohnDoe-df7bl: I think the biggest issue with this choice is that it being Radahn doesn't really matter. You could replace Radahn with just about any character and the story will be the exact same.

garrulousgoldmask: My biggest issue with Radahn being the final boss is that there was absolutely NIHIL in the base game that hinted at a close relationship between Radahn and Miquella. (The only possible clue could be that statue at the Haligtree with Miquella, Malenia, and a mytserious third man who I now think is Radahn in light of the DLC.) I've been deep into the unhinged side of Elden Ring lorehunting for around 2 1/2 years and I can safely say that no one predicted the final boss of the DLC would be Radahn in Mohg's body as Miquella's consort.

And even in the DLC, the Secret Rite Scroll that tells you about Miquella's intentions is easily missed. So I can imagine that a lot of players were completely confused as to how somehow Radahn returned.

That said, for the final boss, I do appreciate a lot of the thematic parallels between Miquella, Marika, Ranni, and Goldmask, as well as the Hindu and Buddhist symbolism. But again, it sure would have been nice if we had some foreshadowing in the base game.

Arthimetes: This is what I believe

Originally Miquella fully intended to use Godwyn as his Lord, even calling him Lord Brother same as Radahn in the Golden Epitaph. The events of The Night of Black Knives were meant to kill Godwyn to send him to the Shadowlands, again same as Radahn, and its always looked like to me that Godwyn was letting the Black Knives carve his back, that image in the intro shows no resistance imo.

I think the thing that caused this plan to fail was Ranni carving the half cursemark into herself at the same time., only half-killing Godwyn and preventing him from moving on to the Shaowlands. I believe the Eclipse was tried to reverse the soul-death Godwyn experienced to either rebirth his soul into the Shadowlands, or revive him in The Lands Between to grant him a true death with the Golden Epitaph.

When the eclipse also failed to produce any results, Miquella sent Malenia to send a message to and kill Radahn, as I believe Malenia's whisper is the first time Radahn heard of the plan, or at least that HE was now the Promised Consort.

Personally, I stil would have preferred Godwyn as the final fight tho.

joshuapatrick682: Miquella having someone else fight for him makes sense but it would have been cool if you could summon RANNI if you finished her quest-line, two empyreans and their consorts.

richardhernandez9014: Couldn't Miqulla's nascence be the source of the disconnect? Miqulla's very nature dictated that all his plans had potential, but we're destined to remain in infancy. Godwyn may have been Miqulla's intented consort, but that was never going to work out in the end.

OddButCools: His first fight on the coast was so epic and memorable, fighting him again in an arena felt like any other boss fight.

EmberAwoken: I think if the fight was more fun to actually do, the hate wouldn’t be as loud.

realcuondaotherside: I feel like Miyazaki just wanted it to be Radahn so he could have the Griffith ahh character be teamed up with the Zodd ahh character.

joetrinidad7281: Ultimately I just wanted a final fight against someone I hadn't faced before. Having already fought Radahn and knowing the end was building up to finding Miquella in the end, I was expecting to fight him or someone else who me managed to charm as a final protector. Instead we got what we got and it is what it is

LostInTheFloatingWorld: I wonder…was Miquella’s plan actually to resurrect Godwyn by combining Mohg’s body, Radahn’s soul (or mind, in some traditions) and his own (Miquella’s) spirit? When Miquella is draped over Radahn’s shoulders, it kind of looks like Radahn is the one with the long golden hair, much like Godwyn was said to have…

LaughTalePainting: I wish FromSoft would put out a Director's Cut version that just fixes the few but glaring problems with the game bc at this point, at over 8 full play throughs... I think Shadow Of The Erdtree needed at least another year for them to work out the story and minimize some aspects of the open world in order to add more content (I just mean more dungeons, items, some boss cinematics)

I wish Godwyn or Malenia (as she describes herself in her dream, no health regain) would have been the final fight, then a third phase against Miquella or even a amalgamation of Miquella & whomever

Also the ending, should have had the Tarnished go through the Divine Gate and then see like Yggdrasil or something fun

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