wjr4700: Realistically if they were twins then the statue would be holding two children. Messmer being her 'favorite' is kind of weak especially if they were still infants.

Otherwise I like the idea of Marikas oldest daughter having a goth phase and being sent away for therapy.

vanjaarsic1616: The way she says at the end of the Frenzied Flame "To deliver what is yours... Destined Death" pretty much confirms for me that she is Gloam Eyed Queen.

wjr4700: I always thought that the finger slayer blade is actually the corpse of the GEQ which was used to wound Metyr. Maybe the three fingers were born because of this and this is why Melina is so averse to the frenzied flame?

Billyboy597: With them being twins, Messmer sealed eye is his right eye, and Melina's is her left eye.

I agree with the twin theory

And you could speculate that Messmer's flame represents a "life" principal and Melina's is a "death" principal

tristanneal9552: I genuinely do not think they would refer to her as his younger sister in the Messmer's Kindling description if they were twins. FromSoft is not getting technical on "he was born 3 minutes before her!!'

orom6581: i think theres a huge detail we've missed on the eyes and the irises-- namely that whenever we see an iris of grace removed(i think only messmer does this), we see it was in his right eye, underneath which is the snake, however, whenever we see death or GEQ relared eyes, its a seal over the left

GilbertVonArphostein: While Vaati is taking his sweet time, I've got only you to feed my hunger for lore videos.

icedogg111: The other I was exploring altus and the option to talk to Melina appeared. She said this:

In Marika's own words. Hear me, Demigods. My children beloved. Make of thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices...

I think this supports the theory Melina is the gloam eyed queen. She ascended as a lord (queen) in defiance then but she failed. She was forgotten and left her as a potential sacrifice in case somebody needed kindling to burn the Erdtree

Samster-rv5uj: Oh i came to a realization. The eyes of emperyeans are tied directly to the current order. When melinas eye on the left goes grey, the current order has burned away. And miquelas eye described as full of grace' by ansbach needed to be removed for him to make a new order.

alechartman5185: really like the idea of melina having the gloom queen eye, it makes a lot more sense than her being the gloom eyed queen herself. i never really bought into that

KitsuneShapeShifter: What is confirmed but not mentioned, but still obviously true, is that Radagon is Melina's father.

Y.Moroboshi: Tarnished Archeologist's video on life and death in Elden Ring (the one where he argues Marika has control over the birthing process through the Erdtree) made me think of this theory:

The Gloam-eyed Queen was defeated, then forcefully recycled/reborn through the Erdtree into Melina. This would place she who was a threat to Marika directly under her control while keeping the power associated with her as a sort of back up plan. Similar to the Grievous Miracle in Blasphemous storing Laudes and the Amanecidas away in case it might have need of them in the future. It also explains why Melina would see Marika as her mother while not understanding the concept of being born from a mother.

This doesn't work anymore because of the timeline issues created by Mesmer being Melina's brother. Also because it never explained why Melina was "bodyless".

agm5424: Personally I think Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen, or to be specific the GeQ is Melina's other self/other empyrian personality that all empyreans seem to have. And unlike Marika with Radagon and Miquella with Trinna the GeQ is not another full autonomous personality, I think she just changes shape while her mind remains the same, like he-man and she-ra and Melina, as the GeQ, obtains the power of death whem transforming and nobody, specially Marika didn't find out until it was too late and Maliketh defeated her.

I think the fact that the Gloam Eyed Queen isn't even mentioned in the Land of Shadows points to this, since the QeG, Marika's literal shadow self/opposite that represents the inevitable death she wishes to be rid of should've definitely been in the LoS where all the things she hates are locked away.

beansnrice321: Turned out that Messmer competed in the pole vault on the French team.

chibieris8659: also, another idea- from Ranni's quest, we learn each empyrean has their own set of fingers. maybe the Gloam-Eyed Queen's fingers became the frenzied Three Fingers?

nhlcbj: The 18 inches of Messmer thing is the best marketing accident since the dune popcorn bucket

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