RockyRockthrow: "Godwyn wasn't afflicted" isn't that kinda the point?

Like out of all of her kids Godwyn was favoured because he wasn't born weird as so it's much more devastating when he dies in the most horrific of ends?

AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz: "my haligtree is a haven for all persecuted people"

"what about those who live in death?"

"I said people"

EmperorMist: The real question I have is where are the two fingers of other empyryans and their shadows?

Archangel1994: I really don’t think Godwyn was afflicted before his assassination, to me it’s like despite being born pure and golden, even he was cursed in the end just not in the way expected.

alfalldoot6715: "They're right behind me, aren't they?"

-Godwyn the Golden

annekkipu: oh wow I never noticed Godwyn protecting Fia

donovan4222: I really like the cursed Godwyn theory it makes a lot of sense that Godwyn may of been suffering from deathblight before his death. Perhaps his “golden” description was just kind of a facade and he was rotting underneath the surface, just like Leyndell and the Erdtree.

Petergriffin17478: I think it’s funny irony that the only demigod that was perfect, ended up being the most messed up

vkarlsen1992: The fact that Miquella do not accept Those who live in death, could that be because he cannot charm skeletons?

tropezando: I'm sure Miquella eyed up all the demigods as potential consorts, and I'm willing to bet he didn't get his first choice because so many of them disqualified themselves by either dying or messing up their bodies. Godwyn got knifed and became zombie compost, Rykard jumped into a snake, Godrick was cringe, and the omen twins were living with the ninja turtles and then Morgott was in the witness protection program as Margit. As fellow empyreans connected to other outer gods, Malenia and Ranni couldn't be his consort, plus Ranni had already reverse-pinnochio'd herself. Melina was a free-roaming bodiless spirit, so she might have been able to be installed into a vessel, but as she had a sealed eye, maybe she was also an empyrean (gloam?) and not able to be a lord? Same with Messmer and his abyssal serpent?

Realistically, only Radahn and Mohg were left for Miquella to consider as a consort by the time he embedded himself in the Haligtree.

majdjinn5042: Is death effectively a sea? Those giant caskets that look like ships. The caskets that use waterfalls and rivers. Godwyn's body is morphed as some aquatic entity.

...the mariner...

BaalFridge: Godwyn more like godLOSE lmao (ill see myself out)

MsieurDooM: "... please die a true death" may be it is not kind words at all, the state of godwyn is probably a big problem for the age of compassion, I need to verify if skeletons can be affected by miquella's power.

SimonSenaviev: To me the fact that Godwyn is in the Realm of Shadow clearly tells the lands were veiled after his death, soon before or during the shattering

Specially considering Radahn knew Messmer

duhmitryov: I don't think he was born cursed, but I do find myself agreeing that he must have had a change of heart and fully accepted his role as prince of death. In the lore Godwyn has been shown to be a Chad, not just a Chad in fact, but a Gigachad. I haven't found a single instance of Godwyn treating an individual cruelly or unjustly in any of the in game texts I found so I think it's very plausible that he sympathized with these people who were being brought back to the land of the living and immediately persecuted. One of the interpretations I've always had for his name "Godwyn the Golden" anyway is that he was a shining example of what a demigod should be rather than just a symbol of the Golden Order. The Golden Order is cruel and sees nothing wrong with tormenting and cruelly punishing their enemies, but Godwyn doesn't do that. Godwyn befriends Fortissax and probably all other Ancient Dragons not only because he kicked their asses, but because he treated them with dignity and fairness after achieving his victory. Being stuck in a state where all he can really do is observe, Godwyn has had nothing but time to watch the persecution of those who live in death and to me it just sounds like something Godwyn would do after spending god knows how long watching the kind of suffering the Golden Order inflicts upon his people.

31Rexitron57: Here’s my theory:

Godwyn was actually cursed by the Crucible, his lower body being a fish like mermaids. The Crucible does not only manifest with horns, but also scales and wings. Godwyn was not viewed as cursed because Marika only hated those with Horns due to her past. Godfrey/Marika children seems to be only the affected by this, while Radagon/Marika children were cursed by the Outer Gods. Some “Death” Outer God probably took over Godwyn’s body as it is now vacant due to his soul dying. This “Death” Outer God existed long before Marika’s reign as Death Sorceries are known to be long forgotten rites. I think the Outer Gods are not from a foreign place or realm but concepts that have been pushed “out” by the Golden Order. Death, Rot, and Blood should not have been foreign to begin with. Also here a funny thought:

Rings of Spectral Light (A Death Sorcery) -> Discus of Light (Gifted to Radagon by Miquella) -> Radagon’s Rings of Light(Is in the Golden Order Principia)

RelativelyBest: When I saw the Godwyn face at the end of my first DLC catacomb I literally asked my TV screen: "Wait, what the hell are you

deedatkhan5072: The thing is, Godwyn is the only child of Marika whose name starts with G, like Godfrey

Batman_83: Ranni, Rykard and Radahn were not cursed from birth. They are Marikas children since Radagon is Marika. Every demigod is directly spawned by Marika but not all are cursed from birth, so Godwyn could very well be born without a curse.

owlbatross9187: Miquella: Don't worry Godwyn! I'm going to grant you a true death!

Godwyn, blinking: Actually, these dead guys are my boys, and I kinda like being the Elden Ring equivalent of the Lich King.

Miquella: Damn it! Onto Radahn!

Excellent work once again! As a Special Ed teacher, I loved the connection to speech pathology. Great job bringing it back to his tolerance of the dragons, too.

WildArmACF: i never knew godwin used spells to protect fia. i never attack friendly npcs

T.e.a.k: Godwyns curse was that his life WAS golden and perfect, but his death would be dark and marred, worse than any other.

maskedmisfit364: I love how this community keeps coming up with new interesting lore theories! Great vid man!

GothicPrincessAlice: The Eclipse did work...the whole time, right in front of us, the Mending Rune of Death IS Godwyn, reincarnated!

agopessimist1335: While I’m still a bit iffy on the idea of Godwyn being born afflicted with Deathblight, him being born afflicted with it could be the explanation we needed as to why Ranni and the Black Knives chose him as their assassination target.

Knowing he would be buried at the foot or roots of the Erdtree based on the burial practices of Marika’s era, they must have known that his Deathblight and Deathroot would have inevitably spread across the lands through the Erdtree roots, harming Marika’s Order.

Though this does raise some questions, especially if Marika did have some role in the Night of the Black Knives.

And also, technically wouldn’t Godwyn make more sense if he was born uncursed? Also, technically Godrick’s lineage could be argued to have been born without any curses, though that line of lineage would curse themselves much later in life through grafting.

After all, Godrick’s body pre-grafting is that of an old man, and he was able to disguise himself as a woman fleeing Leyndell. Grafting seems to be something passed down from his ancestors up to Godfrey and perverted through time, likely since he couldn’t match up to Godwyn himself.

And wouldn’t Godwyn being uncorrupted from birth also help tie him to his Norse inspirations, like how he could arguably be compared to Baldur from Norse myth? A golden child of a God that cared for him immensely only to be killed off by a leaf/plant? We know Norse mythology did have an influence on Elden Ring’s lore.

DonutSwordsman: Youtubers saying melina isn't messmers sister because it's NOT confirmed are honestly beyond coping and stupid. How could the game be anymore up front cmon. Things can be confirmed without saying it out right you ninny

apolloisnotashirt: WAIT GODWYN CAN FIGHT BACK?!

danielrobinson7872: I actually REALLY like the idea that Godwyn always had deathblight.

Jul 20 2024

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