K8theKind: If there are outer gods that implies inner gods.
themaniae4803: 2 years ago: Greater Will plays with other Outer Gods a game of throne about who controls the world!
Now, finally: IT DON'T CARE.
thebass4511: My inner god is that dog inside
HeronHero: Something to note about the base serpent that i think Zullie the Witch mentioned first; it always begins the second phase by slamming down and consuming an orb of fire that seems very reminiscent of Rykard's own vision of a serpent swallowing the world. Whether that actually means anything, i dont know.
astrid9920: Theres another connection to the Fell god in the dlc: the Lamenter, for some reason. When you transform, the fell god's face appears on your back, and there are tufts of red hair between your horns.

The Lamenter is the closest thing to an Omen in the dlc, and in retrospect its weird how many times the word Fell is used with Omens in the base game. Margit the Fell, the Fell omen twins guarding the divine tower, the mending rune of the Fell curse. They might be different words in Japanese though, idk
ironiccaesar178: In the ashes of Ornis It Is said that he "tamed a divine Bird" and that he's the ancestor of the hornsent warriors. Since there are a lot of connections between death rites and the hornsent culture, maybe this Bird Is the twin kite
Chyguy: I really wish we got more lore for the Base Serpent.
molamola9723: I’ve always thought Messmer’s flames were a curse from the fell god. It’s always been stated that Radagon had some connection to the giants and the fell god that caused them to have red hair. I believe the fell gods power manifested through Radagon’s bloodline in Melina and Messmer since Messmer can wield fire Melina can channel the flame of the fell god. Also supporting this is that Messmer has always hated his fire making it more of a curse rather than a blessing.
user-ol7bt4wp1j: My theory about metyr as well as Placidussax is that the greater will didn’t cut itself off and abandon them, but a rogue element in the world cut them both off from it. Especially in metyrs case that huge gash and the fact that she only creates finger creepers and no new 2 fingers might suggest such.

But I would say that, that might be unlikely because of the Elden Beast.

Btw I want to say that there is a huge possibility of the dragons outer god is in some way or form just the greater will or a different perception of that specific god one mostly related to Time. But also other aspects shared with the other outer gods

Similar to real world mythology and religion where one god has slight differences across different cultures and religions.

Allah and the Christian God or יהוה/YHWH.

Or gods like Jupiter and Saturn.

The dragon outer god and the symbolism that surrounds them and all of Farum Azula, in general I would say is just very weird and confusing.

You have Placidussax being Elden lord and ALSO for some reason abandoned by an outer god, awaiting signs like Metyr. Also not forgetting the old Elden ring depiction in Farum Azula which shows a even more complex design of the elden ring.

Then you have the themes of death everywhere. Or the theme of decay (kinda like Rot.) and time.

You could either interpret this as dragons having been polytheistic or straight up monotheistic, believing that there are no outer gods just one great God with many different faces.
EugenTemba: I don't think it makes sense that Midra was intentionally supportive of the frenzied flame, I think he came in contact with it then the Inquisiton sealed it in him with the golden barb, much like how we seal away rot within Millicent with the golden needle, I think he was merely a prison for the frenzied flame, one that's been leaking for a very long time. He even says "the depths of your foolishness" and then reluctantly pulls out the barb in exhaustion, as if he's hesitant and warning us off.
iamdoom9810: Seeing as unalloyed gold is supposed to suppress the presence of outer gods, I think it's a missed opportunity that it isn't being discussed as to whether in the Age of Compassion that Miquella would be considered the one true god, and thus the belief in other outer gods would be repressed
beansnrice321: Man, Ramina is the most confusing new character for me. Not to get too into the weeds bu twhy is she protecting the sealing tree? Is she working with Messmer or is she protecting the tree form Messmer? It makes no sense!
TeaNoSugar87: I've been saying since the game came out, it's stated explicitly in the intro that the Greater Will has abandoned the Lands Between
hhowdy: Great video, can’t wait for the rabbit holes in the weeks to come
BrezyMight: The entire Outer God concept is what makes me love the souls games
pantonpg: Placidusax's god was the former vessel of the Elden Ring.

The Dragons and the Beastmen were the first civilization to had the Elden Ring, in fact, it was the Greater Will who bestowed intelligence to the beastmen.
chasethecringewolf2195: I should mention that the Greater Will isnt refered to as an Outer God in the Japenese. Outer God meaning out of order maybe. Im not Japanese Ive just seen other people saying as such. But it would explain why the Greater Will abandoning the lands between leaving it unprotected and still the outer gods cant fully influence our domain.
videocrowsnest5251: Just thinking: I'd be cautious about giving the Greater Will too much credit. Considering it is venerated in the religious order and dogma of the Lands Between, despite Queen Marika being "the one true god" per Golden Order teaching, an inflation in the stature of the Greater Will in the cosmic order is bound to occur. There are many Outer Gods. The Greater Will is surely a powerful one, but as all the different deities are meddling and messing around for power, perhaps the Greater Will just had the most successful methodology (it understands how to take land, whereas the alien minds of many other deities does not)?

In both, introducing Matyr and the Elden Ring into the Lands Between in order to convert them to be a part of it's domain to establish its dominance. Getting the biggest piece of the pie there would be enough, thus the Greater Will would turn to other matters.

It is the hubris of a mortal to think the cosmic order gods would only have on their mind the well-being of mortals and how mortal affairs go, after all. Do you stop to think of all the ants living in any land you'd claim, and feel like checking up on them unless they give you reason to? What if you had control of the ants and directed them that-a-way? In much the same way, the Greater Will getting the biggest piece of the pie in the Lands Between likely was enough. The quality of the life of the beings it brought under its sway with that land is of no real significance, as seen by how despite what ending we choose the Guidance of Grace flows. Mortals concocting beliefs of no consequence or truth. Thus, the Lands Between would exactly that. The Lands between the Greater Will's lands. To us, a world. To a god? Just a pebble in their holdings.

I'd also note that, as shown by the Greater Will's conquest, it seems to require an investment of strength or power from the Outer Gods to claim lands. The GW invested two of it's children plus the Elden Ring. For the other gods, it might not be worth the investment to overturn that, and thus they maintain minimal presences. As the gods are in direct contest and conflict, it makes sense that too great an investment into something can leave vulnerabilities that get exploited elsewhere. The Frenzied flame perhaps being an exception (due to an implied personal vendetta), but it is not at all a trustworthy narrator (no reason to neither lie nor tell the truth - destruction cares little for either except as a ploy to get such to occur.)

Plus, the goal the Frenzied flame has of not so much taking over realms but destroying them, puts it at odds with just about every other god, as if it burns the land then there is nothing to be claimed. Again, checkmating it and ensuring it doesn't do too much means gods investing power might not care to compete with the GW for the Lands Between due to doing so possibly losing the whole dominion if it allows Frenzied Flame to exploit the shifts.
Moss_and_Such: I love the goofy vintage sounding alien motif that plays when you enter the mother of fingers boss arena. It feels like the most out there thing in elden ring.
TheContemplativeOwl: Random thought, the golden order who recieved knowledge from the fingers operate on two fundamentals
1causality 2 regression
The greater will caused the causality- the fracture
And the flame of frenzy desires to unify everything (regression)
doesnt really tell us anything new i just thought it was cool
danieldirocco8282: Outer Gods are connected to different types of fire: the fell flame, the ghost flame, blood flame, frenzy flame (now that I think of it, it’s weird that Rot is the only one w/out fire). The Base Serpent having fire of its own supports it being an outer god.
odststalker5117: I like how Midra has a total Yellow King vibe
cipher48: On the subject of the Fell God and the furnaces, I believe Smoughtown made a connection between the mask with curlled horns and the iris' design of the Fell God's eye
zachicken6969: I think midra was studying the flame when he accidentally inherited it and was impaled to hold back the flame from taking over and making him a lord, which is possibly why he was too weak when he eventually did become a lord and why he apologizes to nanaya when he transforms

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