f8ze304: It's 3:00 am and I'm in the middle of the jungle watching a Vaativydia video.

dev4159: I'd like to note that there are very agile lions with horns in the base game that sometimes can breath out ice, and people really seem to not link them with the divine beast for some reason.

Yazzuri456: > goes to bed

> Elden Ring lore vid drops

> A W O K E N

manukuduvi6998: Hornsent "I AM THE DRILL THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS"

Marika and Messmer "Nu-uh"

Wremson: One thing that i find very neat about elden ring is Romina specifically, because within the lore of the game she is probably one of the most divine looking bosses in the game.

She has scorpions and butterflies, which are symbols from rot worship, centipedes which are frequently found at divine sites in the main game, and her scorpion half and centipede half spiral together into her main body.

TotoIsWriting: You are COMPLETELY right that The Lamenter has ties to the Frenzied Flame. I mentioned in my post "Keratin Theory" that ascension via suffering is tied to the Weeping Peninsula, where we find the Callu Baptismal Church. "Callu" in reference to calluses, the numbness that occurs after pain, "Baptismal" in reference to the ascension via this numbness. In that church we find the incantation "Flame of Frenzy". Which I've NEVER been able to wrap my head around until you brought this up!

philzh7973: Fun fact! Messmer stuffing the Hornsent in the furnace golems was his clapback to the Hornsent stuffing Marika’s people in jars. Really made ‘em reap what they sowed with that one.

Ethereal-23: Two thoughts on what the Lamenter could have witnessed;

Perhaps the Lamenter harkens to Trina's words, how divinity and godhood is a cage, they saw that truth and the hornsent refused to accept it

Or perhaps that in the randomness of the divine Crucible, they understood that the hornsent were nothing special in the grand scheme of things

ebracero50: It's crazy how much lore implications the dlc added, but also added just as many questions lol

franklynsmith6968: To the 3:00am jungle watcher:

Felt that.

I was on deployment and watched a vaati video right after finishing a security shift and patrol in Kenya.

SCADU-MAXXING: Me sitting down to dinner looking for something to watch, and the new Vaati video drops:

Is this divine intervention?

captainmorg95: I want to offer up the idea that the Scadurtree and the Erdtree were the large twisted trees that inspired the hornsent. Marika used her godly power to remove the Erdtree from it's twisted partner, to untangle herself from the Hornsent. The golden facsimile of the Erdtree could be hiding or even containing the twisted from of the lighter tree.

ThroughfulGamer95: I do think there WAS a general disdain among the Hornsent for those who didn't have horns. In Belurat, there are slave enemies whose distinct characteristics are chains around their necks and the fact they don't have horns. Considering the fact that horns were physical evidence of divine heritage and blessing, and Leda's comments that the Hornsent were no different from any other ruling people in their want to conquer and subjugate (which is in line with ER's themes), I do think this checks out.

I'd sooner say people like Midra and Hoarah Loux were exceptions rather than the rule. Plus, it could be that the Highlanders were also imitating the old warrior, rather than their leader himself being the guy. According to the item description, it's implied that the warrior was from older times from the Horned Warriors' perspective as well, while Hoarah Loux was from around the time of the end of Hornsent rule.

Also, would Hoarah Loux have had Crucible Knights prior to the establishment of the Golden Order? Knights are associated with a sense of embellishment and order, the former of which Hoarah Loux's people shunned, while the latter the Crucible people looked down on. Not to mention there isn't a single 'knight' enemy or character from the Hornsent or Rauh areas. To tie it to real world history, knighthood came to being in Christian Europe, which the Golden Order mirrors and is the equivalent of in ER's world history. The Crucible Knights were quite possibly Highlanders, though.

Kinda of a tangent, but what's interesting about the Gate of Divinity is the fact that it's fleshy and visibly drenched in blood in the story trailer, but dry and ashen white in the game. It's possible that it means the Gate was made then and there during Marika's ascension, maybe even by Marika herself considering that all the corpses are Hornsent. Power comes from death in Elden Ring, and since she had the intent of becoming a god under the guidance of the Two Fingers, it'd make sense, even if there might've been something already there as a base. It would also be an additional reason for Marika to keep it secret.

Kyred808: I would like to know more about the connection of Divine Invocation to Marika's ascention. The horned warriors invoke a divine beast and become the vessel for it. And you could argue Marika did the same in her ascention. That divine beast just happened to also be the Elden Beast.

I think she didn't just perform the secret right laid out in the scroll. She used the divine gateway to also invoke the Elden Beast. Knowledge that was unknown to the Hornsent, and given to Marika by the fingers. That's my theory anyway

TheWarmachine375: Marika: "MESSMER! ... Go for a walk on the Hornsent."

Messmer: "When hope is gone, undo this lock and send me forth for a moonlit walk! Release Restraint Level... ZERO!"

taihgaming: Sadly I can't reenjoy the first time walking out of that cave as a tarnished only to get massacered by the tree sentinel. What a good game with rich, hidden lore. Vaati as always, surely a banger video. Gonna enjoy it.

TheWarmachine375: Hornsent - the reason why Marika went from normal village girl to the God-Queen of her Golden Order in the Lands Between because they put her people into jars.

flamesbaldwin108: “A spiral that would pierce the Heavens”

WAS THAT A FUCCING GURREN LAGANN REFERENCE?!?!?!

capriottimultimedia: The way Horah holds his hands open, wide, and arced, as that would be the way you'd guard from something 3x your size

sleep_enjoyer13: I absolutely loved the hornsent lore and the consequential ties to Marika's past/present and Messmers crusade. They just fit into to world like they were always there (because they were) and learning about their culture and history was immensely satisfying for me.

Additional, Belurat and the tower is one of my favourite areas. The architectute and visual design is so detailed, beautiful and characterful. So much individuality and the music of Belurat is also divine. Also the veil over the top and climbing above the clouds in Enir Ilim was so breathtaking.

The lore they added just hits so hard and is so integral to the overall story. Their history with Marika and Messmer's character were my favourite parts of the DLC lore probably. Though much of it was great and Miquella's story with all it's philosophy and exploring morality/justice is fantastic too. Bayle, Metyr, Midra and the shadowlands sorrowful plight too. Sounds like I'm rattling off the whole thing but I didnt want to inadvertently bash the other great aspects of the lore.

TL/DR: Thanks for the video, Vaati, and everyone else involved. I'm a big fan of the lore and videos like these are real treats.

spikey5281: I feel like Marika definitely had a hand in the creation of the Gate of Divinity. Not only is it fresh when she ascended to God hood, but there's also the description for the healing spell she cast at the shaman village despite 'knowing there was no one left to heal'.

The shamans were abused by the Hornsent, but all of them being eradicated at once doesn't really got into the Hornsent customs. They were treated as a resource - no shamans, no jars - it wouldn't have made sense to use them up when their numbers replenish over time.

That line could also imply that Marika was partially responsible. If the shamans were needed to construct the gate, she may have sanctioned the death of her entire people to create it.

peggyliepmann5248: Vaati, wandering the Realm of Shadow: spots a piece of twisting horn

nateB-l7k: Elden Ring is genuinely my favorite story ever, hands down

horible-bm4jq: One thing that I'm not finding any lore channels commenting on is the connection between the windmill villages and the Itako shamans. I believe the women of the windmill villages are either descended from the Itako shaman, or they are them.

Both are clearly Numen. Their societies are seemingly all female, their architecture is almost a 1:1 and built atop hills, they all have their braided the same way Marika does with the left braid cut off. Their villages are even both obsessed with growing flowers.

Both of them are blind. Isn't it strange how the women of the windmill villages seem to not be bothered by your presence at all until interact you with them in any way? You can walk right up to them, but if you do anything to alert them they immediately aggro you.

The blue festive garb states that young maidens are central to the festival. This is speculation, but wouldn't it make sense for the Numen to value youth, given that they are seldom born?

Additionally, the festive grease states that "The delightful festival is an old tradition; one old enough for the Erdtree to tacitly tolerate its endurance."

The grease gives you the same rune gain hit on effect as the celebrants do, so it must be referencing their festival specifically. The grease can only be made with knot resin and blessed bone shards, which can only be found in the land of shadows. From this, we can imply that the weapons of the celebrants originate from the land of shadow, as does their festival and culture. Even the inquisitor clothing is reminiscent of the festive garbs and their attacks seem to fire rune arcs.

an Interesting parallel between the Shamans and the Horsent is that while the Hornsent seem to value flesh, the shamans seem to value bone.

The rib rake, cleaver and sickle are all crafted from bone and aren't described as weapons, but ritual tools that would be very useful for ritual butchery. The cleaver would be useful for breaking bodies down, the rib rake would be useful for skinning and the sickle would be useful for carving muscle/fat off of bones. It makes sense that they would ally themselves with a god skin apostle, because they need to get rid of the skin to access bone, but they don't necessarily value it. After all, none of their items, clothes or consumables use it whereas practically all of the celebrant/shaman equipment and consumables use bones.

snowpeaker: Marika’s betrayal with seduction in the DLC trailer makes sense now! She betrayed the Hornsent by seducing Godfrey to her side. I never thought that Godfrey was known and revered by hornsent but it makes sense

Feb 07 2025

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