PausalZ: My reading of Nanaya's "endure" a bit different. I think its worthwhile to note that Melina, in attempting to convince you to not interact with the three fingers, states "However ruined this world has become, however mired in torment and despair, life endures." Drawing the connection between these statements (which I think Fromsoft intends since there are any other word choices one could use), it seems Nanaya's endure is meant to push Midra to not give into the frenzied flame and endure the hornsent punishment so life can continue. To me, it seems to better explain why Midra apologizes before giving into the frenzied flame.

sisyphus_strives5463: I’m still sad that they didn’t include the nomadic merchant quest-line in the game

matheussantos9367: If Nanaya was a shaman, it would make sense indeed that she took the eggs from the ruins neighbor to her village. Maybe trying to follow the footsteps of another shaman believed to have dwelled in the same ruins and conversing with the Fingers.

The initial purpose wasn't to summon the Frenzied Flame, maybe she just wanted to escape the persecution suffered by her people. But the persecution she fled, along with the loss of her child, drove her to accept the Frenzied Flame in their realm.

Either this, or she already came in with the intention of burning everything to the ground, due to the Hornsent putting the Shaman in pots deal.

IamTheGoblinLord: I just realised the frenzied flame being able to permanently kill torrent was already shown in the main game. If you acquired the flame before burning Melina and thereby sparing her she’s seen in the flame ending cutscene picking up torrents burnt whistle which implies he died

Zythryl: The revelation of the fingers and eggs hidden under those blankets was absolutely astounding. I haven’t seen anyone notice that yet.

Well done! I really like your reading of why Midra was damned.

vanDaalstad: The Frenzy of Elden Ring is one of my favorite aspects of the world. The loss of hope ignites a flame that can threaten the whole of creation, but kindness can still quell it, as long as there is enough strength behind it. Strength that does not need to lie within just one soul.

sir.morris: seeing midra pulling the stake out of his body and it's piercers wrapping around forming a golden needle was an immense oh shit moment in my first run of the dlc. both possibilities that either miquella developed his needle independently or based upon the hornsent knowledge are really interesting considering that three fingers are basically an ancient cancer that sprung from already diseased finger mother... anyway midra's manse was an immensely cool and spooky silent hill-esque location and i am extremely hyped about your video on this topic!

Marco-fs9bs: The most tragic thing of Midra story is that his spirit will never be able to rest in peace, since the flame burned it away most likely...

luna7157: I am fairly certain Nanaya's torch isn't her child, but rather exactly what it says on the tin- a spine used to keep an ember from a previous, failed Lord of Frenzied Flame. It's this item which leads me to believe Nanaya came to Midra's Manse explicitly to lead him down that path. It's possible that every moment of Midra's life since he met Nanaya was carefully orchestrated to give him something to lose, such that when he lost everything, it would drive him deep enough to disavow all creation.

samk522: I didn't fight Midra. I couldn't think of any justifiable reason to disrupt his sealing of the Frenzied Flame, especially when he desperately wanted me not

pedrocarnelos703: Listen, im no musician, but i have two cents i wanna give on Midra's theme:

Iirc somewhere in the lore we are told that the song the merchants play in the catacombs is a lullaby taught by st trina to help them resist the call of the frenzied flame (citation needed) so i like the idea that the motiff of the song in Midra's theme might be showing that, even in his lord of frenzy state, hes still in there, resisting as best he can

oyayemayafaro7307: I have a deep appreciation for lore deep dives covering Midra. My favourite boss from the game.

faraday1548: Potentially interesting to note about Torrent and the Flame of Frenzy

When you become the lord of Frenzy, you leave Torrent behind as he crys out for Melina.

telerobotic: I’m so happy you’ve made the point to associate the fingerprint-laden stone finger ruins with frenzy, and the ones visible from the hinterlands no less. I hope there’s enough connective tissue here for another video exploring exactly what horror (and madness) these ruins represent and their influence on the story of the Lands Between.

Stereo-hb2lo: Yummy yellow fire lore

noahreinhuber6191: Midra and Nanaya give heavy Father Ariandel and Sister Friede vibes, both wanted to keep the flames at bay.

warpstorm1988: When I first saw the barbs I did wonder if maybe these things inspired Miquella’s needles in some way given that they seem to do the same sort of thing. Maybe Marika told him about the practice and he went and refined it in his unalloyed gold way?

postal3412: The Mesopotamian goddess Nanaya is depicted as a goddess of love (especially the sensuality around it) and protector of lovers, with an emphasis on the rejected and betrayed. A relationship with her was also seen as an aspect of true kingship. I think this lines up pretty well with the idea that she's an agent of chaos, considering it's emphasis on the downtrodden, as well as the consistent manipulation from Chaos around young women and love.

blinkrush6101: Manse also literally just means a grand house, though. Its a word for mansion in informal british english dating back centuries.

halcyon62277: The madness was welling inside me waiting for this video. And now, relief.....

themissionary58: I think those bodies in front of the Manse are other Hornsent victims of the Inquisitors. During the Midra cutscene, he bends over in a way that makes him look exactly like the bodies in front. Out of their heads, you see other "swords of damnation"

svengalt9546: I think, much like Vyke, Midra did it to protect or honor his maiden. Her memory, her slumber, the "torch" she still holds, he did it for her and the tarnished showing up with their murder hobo looting mentality, ignoring his warnings, was the final egregious act that he refused to endure.

orom6581: the part of the children is interesting, as it feels like nanaya maybe tried to brith new fingers, perhaps even the three fingers we meet were born of her, but something I noticed was there are three very small finger marks on midra, as if he was grabbed by the three fingers but they were really small. I found this odd since we've seen each person afflicted by madness with the large theee fingerprints, but midra, who i imagined had to have such mark didn't seem to until i saw there were much smaller versions of the same burns. Did they actually create the three fingers??

boredmagala5701: The 10 bodies are likely victims of the purge that the inquisitors carried out on the manor, leaving midra with the sword of damnation in him

Jikuri: I guess Midra know the Tarnished can put him down finally and bet on it so to stop enduring

JunkJunk42: My favorite boss from the DLC. When that deep bass hits in the boss music ho man, insane vibes.

boredmagala5701: Thinking about how either the frenzy touched player or Melina burn the erdtree, it makes me think of Mesmer and his flame. He and Melina likely were both born with some cursed flame within them, being the base serpent and whatever the being the gloam-eyed queen might entail.

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