OfficialChrissums: I hate the existence and lore relevance of Godefroy so much it physically hurts me

hee8410: Hide Godefroy theories. Ignore Godefroy posters. DO NOT speculate with Godefroy loresters.

Locaneo: Also I'm certain that Godrick's Rune was stolen from Godwyn. It's the Rune that holds the rest together, each Rune is heavily related to its associated demigod, Godwyn was the Big Brother, the lynchpin that held it all together. When Godwyn died Godrick stole the rite of the Rune. Godrick forces people together, so it can be mistaken he'd have the Rune of bonding, but no Godwyn really bonded people together through comradery, dignity and respect. Godrick probably hated him too.

Addendum: Since it's come up twice I was reminded/made aware that yes the great Runes didn't necessarily exist separately until the Shattering however people are aware of its fragments. The sculptor(s) of Radagon's statue for instance is aware enough to have sculpted his rune of Order individually, the crisscross rune, on his statues (you also see it on the wall blocking the Erdtree entrance). There are images of the Elden Ring in different stages such as in Maliketh's arena at Farum Azula. So the Elden Ring does add segments and change, likely based on the family tree somehow in relation to Marika since she houses it. Also there are the towers which have the Great Rune activators at their tops held by the top demigod's Two Fingers...which actually brings up its own questions of why have towers to hold the individual rune fragment's activators to begin with by each of their Two Fingers... Either way I believe the Elden RIng changes shape within Marika, and it is something that can be physically witnessed enough to notice associations between a fragment and a member of the family tree, or else why bother making Radagon's rune on his statue. The pieces still represent associated family members despite being a whole thing in Marike, then ripped apart later, and it was likely much easier after Godwyn died since his was the lynchpin.

After all, why bother called it the Anchor Ring, if no one ever perceived the Elden Ring was in segments to begin with? It says it right in the Great Rune's description. Some people are aware it changes shape and is in parts even before the Shattering.

mugi9874: If the eyes of the ones who were punished were gouged out, and that is the reason why they were able to see the blood star and use its power; then that could also be another reason for why the Godwyn corpse in Stormveil is connected to the blood star. It doesn't have any eyes. Unlike all the other instances of death root where you can see copy's of his eyes sprouting up all around.

yousefsekhri425: Hey Ratotoskr. I don't know if you have already taken this into account, but on the subject of how godrick might escape where even Godwyn was killed, the description of the Mimic Veil might suggest he used it to escape.

"When Godrick was hounded from Leyndell, the Royal Capital, this was one of a multitude of treasures he took with him. Also known as "Marika's Mischief"."

There is also a voice line from Kenneth height where he says "Honestly, Godrick’s no more than a jumped up country bumpkin. Lord? Don’t make me laugh. First he hid himself amongst the womenfolk to flee the capital, then hid from Radahn in that castle… "

This could imply he used the mimic veil to make himself look like a woman to flee.

TheMuzca: The thing that bugs me the most about your theory, it's that it gives an agency, an importance, to Godrick's character, that's not echoed by no other item description, lore text, or NPC dialog.

We have to remember some things:

- Godrick is a coward.

- He admires the Golden Lineage (okay, maybe he envies Godwin, but to participate in the plot? I think it's too much)

- I dont see Ranni aligning herself with someone like him. He could ruin the whole operation.

Youtuber "Zayf the Scholar", has a video about this very same topic, he covers almost the same things as you, but the conclusion/theory that he makes, it's that Godrick, on the assault on Leyndell, stole Godwin's postule to use for grafting. The item that we find on the "corpse" on Stormveil. That would be what makes the "face" and curse, appear so distinctively on the castle.

I really like this theory, because it ties the curse of Godwin with the curse of grafting.

Overall, great video.

OfficialChrissums: the blood star being associated with stormveil sure seems to explain why we have a blood using godrick knight at fort height. I think the blood star and the formless mother are basically one and the same or at least twin gods or something.

Ziostorm: Some evidence that may help your case that Goddrick could’ve been involved: the posture of the Godwyn icon under stormveil is the same as a corpse in a relic weapon(Sacred Relic Sword and Fingerslayer Blade) as if someone attempted to create a weapon from that bit of the corpse. So a loose theory could be that part of Godwyn was severed from his main corpse, brought to Stormveil, experimented on to make a weapon(which sounds exactly like the kind of heretical power Goddrick is searching for throughout Limgrave) and that is the sin that caused the thorns to spread. Not to mention, Goddrick had no problem usurping Godwyn’s title of “The Golden” and using it along his own name. Shows that he probably had little to no respect for Godwyn left by that point, I doubt he’d care much to use his demigod corpse for his own strength.

monkey8298: miyazaki just did it because it looks cool

RKGrizz: I for one welcome back our Elden Ring overlords and can only hope for more videos for this masterpiece. I totally haven't done 3 new playthroughs this spring that are prepared to enter the DLC with different builds. Nope. I can stop playing whenever I want.

EldenLord.: Those thorns are also found in the Chapel of Anticipation (right where you start a new game and step outside). It is connected to Stormveil for sure though cause you find "The Stormhawk King" item there, fight a Grafted Scion and it looks to be a cemetery of sorts for Stormveil.

CaptchaCouch: I am very much convinced that the corpse below stormveil is actually the flayed face of Godwyn.

We know Ranni and Rykard conspired together in the night of black knives. We also know that the godskins seem to align with Rykard and the blaspehmous serpent.

I dont think its a stretch to say that godskins flayed Godwyns facial flesh and were unable to make an outfit out of it. Especially considering you find the godslayer seal and prayerbook in a room above the facial corpse.

Nick-ts1qc: Interesting vid… hard to get around that last counterpoint at the end.

Maybe the thorns were actually wrought from something Godwyn did, not Godrick? Perhaps Godwyn isn’t so “golden” in his deeds after all and did something that actually merited the punishment of the red star? This would align well with GRRM’s narrative tendencies… subverting the trope of a martyred hero.

danielled8665: I feel it was because Godrick stole a piece of Godwyn's body, a holy relic, and hid it below the castle where it grew into a new face.

He escaped the night of the back knives with the mimics veil. It says he used it to escape the Capital directly in the item description, so we knew he possessed it.

I doubt Rani or anyone else would have trusted him to be involved in something as important as The Plot.

saulgoneman: Its a good theory! A couple points:

We don't actually know that Godwyn was killed at the Capital. The description of the NoBK on the Bandai Namco site says the murders took place "throughout the empire", and the victims were "scattered". It could well be that Godwyn was at Stormveil when he was murdered - that alone might explain why the castle is cursed. That Ringleader Alecto fled the Capital might imply Godwyn was killed there, but it could be that they fled the Capital later after being found out. The Black Knives were kin of Marika, they probably lived in the Capital, so it could be that they did the murders, got away with it in the short term, returned to the Capital and then got discovered and fled.

Its also possible that Godrick wasn't killed because at the time of the plot, he was irrelevant. It would be very fitting for the character if he only became Lord because most the rest of the golden lineage was wiped out by the assassins (and Godefroy was locked up). His blood is "sorely diluted", and Kenneth describes him as a "jumped up country bumpkin" implying his relation to Godwyn is distant. Its extra pathetic and extra fitting if his status boost following the Night of the Black Knives was completely inadvertent and had nothing to do with him.

embargovenom9948: It always bothered me how Deathroot starts by recreating Godwyn's eyes, and yet the most complete recreation of him under Stormveil is lacking those eyes.

Maybe being affected by the Blood Star could be related to that, as it can only be seen by the blind.

Bavari90: Zayf the Scholar made this video a couple weeks ago.

May 25 2024

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