cerealbox7872: a fun theory i heard a while back (probably already known) : The fire giant boss has an eye on his stomach, allowing him to (assumed) commune with the fire god. That's why all of the trolls and giant corpses are missing their stomach, they had their eye removed so they could no longer communicate with their god.

kristadisgumundsdottir3658: The more I think about what I am seeing when I am stomping around I am quite convinced that Elden Ring is actually a horror game.

AgentOracle: Or, the flame chariot eyes are periscopes, and the driver is turning rhe eyes to track you so it can see you, even though the chariot itself cannot turn as quickly.

spikey5281: I'd argue that Verdigris is a gift from the Rot. Oxidizing is as close as metal gets to rotting, the wearer of the Verdigris set is fermenting things (which can also be associated with rot), and the friendly forager brood are rot creatures as well. I think this theme of 'friendly rot' fits Verdigris better than it being a gift from a fell god, especially in context.

estrajan: I think it's also worth considering that it could be that the Flame Chariots are a kind of golem, seeing as the holes in their pupils resemble the holes in the eyes of the catacomb golems and those found all over the bodies of the guardian golems. So, maybe the flame chariots are indeed completely artificial, but they channel the souls of deceased giants, trapping them in a "brazen bull" kind of thing.

TextToSpeechYoda: I think the Fell Gods are the same for one very strange reason: the Furnace Golem's faces are actually mobile, and when you stagger them their expressions change (BonfireVN has a great video on this), but while they're moving only their right eye actually opens and closes. Essentially marking only one usable eye. It just seems that the Fell God does not have a uniform depiction across cultures, but the single eye nature is consistent just in an unusual way. The Furnace Visage is also ringed with horns, while the Mother of all Crucibles first formed on the bodies of Giants, there's something linking it all but it's hard to say what. This only serves to make them more similar to Flame Chariot's moving eyes though. I was initially skeptical on the Fell God being an Outer God as it's never referred to as such, but I don't know why I never made the Verdegris connection...it's pretty clear when you look at it from that angle. I do think the Giant heads on the Golems are just sculptures and not real ones as they seem to be metallic, but the Golems themselves have a lot in common with the Chariots

sunstrid3r44: i think the eyes are just mechanisms for the driver to see what is in front of the chariot. I dont think the fire giant's heads on the furnace golens are real heads, they look like carved wood/metal for me.

But i think it is 100% safe to assume Marika used the look of the fire giants as a weapom of terror during her wars, makes you wonder how powerful was the idea of the fire giants in the minds of ancient people. And how crucial their defeat was for Marika's reign to start really strong (those who defeated the most feared creatures in the world).

As someone already said in the comments, i'm almost sure Verdigris is a gift from the God of Rot and not the Fell God. It is a product of "rotting" metal, it is associated with the foraging brood and we have no mention of it outside of the dlc (afaik).

Maybe the visage on the furnace golens are a interpretation of the hornsent? Not how the Fell God really was, but how they thought it would be? We don't know how many people really saw the Fell God save for the player and those who saw Marika defeating it in the war against the giants... But it is strange to think the Fell God haunts the sagas of the Hornsent ant they dont know how it looks like (maybe they didnt knew in ancient times, and even after knowing how it looks they choose to preserve the ancient way of depict it?

daisyjoy242: I wonder how brutal Marika actually was in the land between.

hankskorpio5857: I was sooo relieved you mentioned verdigris!! Definitely one of the most underrated and hidden reveals of DLC.

Lolimonogatari: I think it's pretty clear that none of these things (chariot faces nor furnace golem decor) are actual decapitated heads of giants, just based on material makeup alone, but rather effigies designed to resemble them. The eyes moving make perfect sense as the pilots of the chariots need some kind of apparatus to see through in order to operate them sensibly. They're definitely symbols of oppression and functionally used to intimidate their foes, though. No doubt about it.

papanurgle8393: I think it's all the same Fell God, and the chariots, along with the furnace golems were all made by the academy of Raya Lucaria.

The golems have a similar "metallic mesh bag" design you see on marionettes and avionettes, and we know

endlessXnow: I believe that the Primeval Sorcerers, guided by the primeval current, instigated the war against the Fire Giants and Rykard.

We find Azur motionless facing the destroyed Gelmir minor Erdtree, seemingly this was his final task, using comet to destroy it, his fate ended there.

The Heretical Rise in the mountaintops is facing a destroyed Minor Erdtree, and it contains the primeval Founding Rain Of Stars.

The Rise in the Consecrated Snowfield actually has a hidden teleporter that takes you directly to the destroyed Minor Erdtree there. What does it contain? The Graven-Mass Talisman, once again a fingerprint of Primeval Sorcery.

All of these destroyed Minor Erdtrees are a stone's throw away from Primeval Sorcery, I do not believe this is a coincidence.

nateB-l7k: It took me way too long to realize you could backstab them instead of just basic attacks

grimsbeast: The Fell God having different depictions among differing cultures isn't something new, tons of cultures around the world have the same or similar gods but had differing depictions according to what suited their culture. So the Fire Giants and the Hornsent might indeed be refering to the same god but due to the different cultures, they see the god in different ways with the Fire Giants having the one eye'd version and the Hornsent having two eyes and horns which does tract with what we know of both Fire Giant and Hornsent culture.

Nihil847: The flame chariot heads remind me of the bald (burned?) person wrapped by roots in Leyndell

doju5505: Related to the furnace golems, they have facial animations, which are gracefully displayed by BonfireVFN. This could help answer if these metal beings are "alive". The many bodies could fuel it with some soul shenanigans, so I wonder if giant souls are used for the flame chariots

CheshireCatMystic: Man, I see the flame chariot with their big green bald heads and all I can think is “I am Oz! The great and terrible!”

dxz3: your videos never cease to blow my mind

primitivebean9412: The mask on the furnace golems has eyes that follow you, so maybe there is a connection between the chariots and the furnace golems.

Pando0678: I feel like the abductor virgins have something to do with rykard and the god devouring serpent since most of them are in or around volcano manor and the one in raya lucaria literally sends you to volcano manor. The snakes also remind me of rykard.

Untitled8eight: I don’t know if anyone noticed, but it seems that the flame chariots have marika’s rune on their forehead

Writh811: I think when the game refers to to the Fell God in the base game and DLC it is the same being. It would be beyond bad writing to literally have two separate beings called "The Fell God of Fire" both of which having some association to the Fire Giants. My current way of understanding the disparity between 2 eyes and 1 eye is that the two eyed face was likely the face of the Fell God themselves, while the single eye represents the manifestation of the Fell God on its followers.

With regards to the Chariots seemingly being alive and/or giants' heads; I think they are somewhat alive but not the heads of Giants. Fire has the power to bring things to life in Elden Ring. It animates the giant Golems scattered across the base game. The Commander of Messmer's Fire Knights, Wego used the power of Messmer's flame to resurrect the dead. Every Necromancy in the based game is depicted with Ghost Flame. So there is a pretty good series of precedence that fire in Elden Ring can bring things to life. The quality of the life it creates is questionable.

themaniae4803: I think these are simply Golems, or at least they are not """alive""" in a normal way, like Marika in all the normal endings. At the same time is not the first time Miyazaki made Golems starting from a piece of a defeated enemy, like the dragon bone used by Gwyn to creare the Iron Golem. So yeah, i can see a skull or at least some bones used as core of the metal monster.

About the furnace golem yeah, i think that is still the Fell God, just saw by the Hornsents eyes. It's very possible there were more kind of Fire Giants, maybe the horned corpses we find in Shadow Keep.

For the metal... uhm, this is complex. In game the armor seems more connected to the Rot, and Rot hates fire, yet Fire is more connected to metal and forging. At the same time, even if the different between Outer and Normal God is purely political, game is always precise when it talk about the Fell or about an Outer God. My cards go on Rot for now

GearShotgun: Id assume the eyes are like telescopes that let the operator see where they are going. Be real hard to drive that thing otherwise.

luckyowl6432: Queen Marika the Eternal was one brutal strumpet.

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