megamilkxl3414: Notice how placidusax also twists his heads into a spiral, the symbol of divinity/the crucible
salvahazana7629: Metyrs remembrence states that she (used to) receive signals and messages from the Greater Will. Nowhere is it stated that their communication was back and forth.
la_robbo: Metyr is really reminding me of Ebrietas and the lore/theories around her. So glad we're back lore hunting again!
Varre922: Interesting, I personally think it was Metyr herself who banished the Nox underground and I think the Nox created the fingerslayer blade as an attempt to assassinate Metyr. Perhaps because they realized Metyr was deceiving them from the start and the reason they sought the age of stars was to remove Metyr influence over the Lands Between.
chancetherappersburner6338: Ngl hard disagree on this one.

An Elden Lord (Placidusax) is a consort to the god of the current order that acts as the vessel of the Elden Ring (Elden Beast). Metyr already has, or had her purpose which is completely different from a god. If Metyr was a god of her own order then she would have been an Empyrean as well, and that just doesn't make any sense because the Two Fingers are the ones selecting the Empyreans and obviously they can't do that in this case because well... Metyr is the one who created them. And if we are to believe that Metyr came before the Elden Beast then the theory seems even less likely to be true.

Also, when you defeat Metyr you get the "Legend Felled' and not the "God Slain" message. It's also worth noting that the fingerslayer blade is made from a corpse and Metyr is obviously alive until we end her.
arcticdino1650: The greater will needing a new router. Forbidden knowledge
Nemo12417: Not sure if this is the place for it, but has anyone else noticed that one of the Finger Ruins is located a short walk away from Marika's hometown? When she was forced to flee, she probably would have gone there, and it's possible that's where she met the Two Fingers and was given Maliketh.
lorisceleste1860: So yeah, Lovecraftian's horrors are back on the menu. Metyr being a daughter means the Greater Will is not a concept but an outer god, the supreme deity of the microcosm in which the world of Elden Ring was created from "stardust" (Ymir's dialogue). The Greater Will created the microcosm as its personal universe to rule upon, had its daughter spread its Word until suddenly it stopped talking to her. So basically the Fingers were just telling what they heard from their mother to the people of the Lands Between, to Marika specifically. Until the Greater Will ceased to send messages to Metyr so the Fingers stopped talking as well.
This makes me think the Fingers will never talk again to anyone, not even to Enia because no one would answer the Fingers' call. There's no one out there to guide the people of the Lands Between. So Ranni's ending still is the best ending: no more fingers, no more outer gods but just the moon, like sailors we will be guided by moonlight and the very stars into the future.
elcononamethon2157: Only the ever brilliant can make me willingly schizo out on lore when I need to be sleeping for my new job tomorrow
enviosinterdimencionales8612: metyr = metroid = mother = aliens = miyasaky = feet
justsomejerseydevilwithint4606: If true, this explains one of the greatest remaining questions after the revelations of the DLC, Why did the Greater Will abandon The Lands Between?

Well, the nox made a weapon capable of harming the Greater Will, but the Nox don't exactly have space travel, do they? And now that they're sealed underground, it's not likely they'll ever develop it, and thus the Greater Will, who resides in space and sends meteors, is safe from a weapon that could kill it, as long as it leaves The Lands Between alone. It's just a pragmatic move to make.
EtheonStarWanderer: Also something interesting to discuss is that the cathedral where Metyr is located it's called Manus Metyr; and the cathedral, where we find Ranni after killing "her fingers", it's called Manus Celes.

I just completed her quest yesterday again, and those fingers look exactly the same as the fingers of Metyr that hold the microcosm in her attacks, only crooked after Ranni's violence. They are also way bigger and thick than any other fingers we get to see. It seems like there is more to those fingers underground.

So this should mean, Celes is another Mother of fingers, and Ranni kills it by performing the cursemark ritual, so Celes is completely dead. This should mean that no more fingers to ever be born in The Lands Between, which means that, in Ranni's ending, the following Elden Lord, after you leave with Ranni, shouldn't have any direct influence from the fingers,a apart from the Thre-fingers and the Roundtable, but those are rotten.

If Metyr was veiled in the Land of Shadows, that should mean that the fingers in The Lands Between needed to have a mother to reproduce and keep guiding the gods and demigods, so that should be Celes.

Is Celes a daughter of Metyr, fully developed? Or is she also daughter of The Greater Will?

EDIT: Also the arena where we fight Metyr is strikingly similar to that of the Elden Beast.
your_neko: What if the mending rune of the Perfect Order was meant to shield the Lands Between and Marika from broken influence of Metyr?
Queen Marika is clearly compatible with Goldmask's vision, but it's unclear how it changes the role of God-Queen. But whatever is this transcendental ideology he discovered, it seems to take over the function of Fingers and their guidance. And given that Fingers are broken beyond repair, it would make sense to replace them specifically.
ironiccaesar178: She's like ebrietas, but the other way around
She's the First star sent by the Greater Will, mother of his envoys but her master doesnt talk to her in eons. Thats why everybody Is wrong according to ymir: the fingers are decrypting nothing from the Greater Will. The empyrian they're choosing are faulty and unable to correctly interpret the Outer God's ideals, otherwise Marika wouldnt have shattered the elden ring, but on the other side of the spectrum, none could have had the free will

Every vassal of each outer God Is loyal til the end, but not this time
lemonMPG-zq5je: Am i the only one who freaked out when metyr did the microcosm when she died?

Jul 09 2024

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