meatballfreak92: Miyazaki has been training us to be occultists this whole time.

KeterHirameki: I think the God-Devouring Serpent is a reference to Nidhogg rather than Mercury.

Nidhogg is a serpent who gnaws the roots of Yggdrasil representing a threat to the current order of cosmos and lives in/near Náströnd, the realm where the "guilty" are punished.

CrowXIII: You mistook Miquella using the divine gate to become a god with Marika ACTUALLY making the gate. In the story trailer we see it red, fleshy, moist and fresh. Most likely she used the same principle as the jar ritual to do it to the hornsent in vengance for her tribe. Did she become a god there, somehow gaining power enough to bring the attention of the golden order to herself? is that how she got in contact into it? or did she do it already a god and she only used the door to separate the lands between from the shadowlands? That i'm not sure. Some options are more likely than others, but i am not certain of any. But by the time Miquella used the gate, it was already hardened an calcified.

MortimerSCrane: Maybe Messmer was supposed to merge with the God-devouring Serpent. Maybe Messmer was kept from it by his prolonged crusade . The Serpent might've needed a host or Rykard might've snatched the opportunity. The Serpent might've impressed upon him the urge of merging and family, in an attempt to get back to his destined host. Elden Ring has a lot of destinies denied, this could line up with the Serpent not having its intended host. This requires a few assumptions so take it with a grain of salt.

MrBedZeppelin: One very sad day, a frail and aged Miyazaki will be asked, "who was Gwyn?" Miyazaki slowly whispers, "The lore was very basic, I let 'The Community" (The Greater Will" write all the details". He starts laughing with his last breath Umbasa...

kauaichan: I think the serpent skin we find in Bonny village IS Eigley…it’s clear that Rykard became a fanatical follower of Messmer—not his devotion to Marika, but his deeds and legacy. Even if one of Rykard’s reasoning was to impress Tanith, I think your onto something here! Marika clearly tried to exorcise Messmer—I think this is how we got Eigley, but like Rykard says ‘a serpent never dies’, thus why she sealed its remainder inside Messmer. Just like Marika or more importantly Radagon’s shell is possessed by the Elden beast—you can see its left arm, and once destroying his body the beast comes out to fight. I think Eigley is a literal product of Messmer and why Rykard chose to worship it and feed it with his own flesh and great rune. Trying to revive its power (he believes this is why Messmer is so successful in his crusades) to devour the gods—essentially wanting to have the same accomplishments of Messmer/Marika over the Hornsent/Omen, dragons, beasts, everyone. If Mercurious or the Crucible is a union, Marika tore that union into what we Biology majors call Order, (Kingdom, Phylum, Order, Class, etc.) where we get Eigley, and his much smaller infant skin in Bonny village. Everything in this game is trying to return to this Cambrian state of nature, where as Marika (and humans) want order or control over life/death and every being to be in it’s designated class and species. Why the Frenzied flame is so obsessed with ‘burning all that divides and distinguishes’. It literally wants Cambrian life or none at all. Which is super fitting to me, because I don’t think of frenzy as madness or insanity as much as I see it as loss and grief; all trauma (especially repeated) eventually leads to psychosis. Revenge is an obsession/fire until it’s accomplished, then what’s left? Deeper grief, because now instead of anger there is STILL only pain and loss.

the-hermit-arcana: I think you're on the right track about the serpents. Messmer's existence has confused a lot of people re: where his conquest fits in the overall timeline. He has red hair like Radagon, his name begins with M, just like the rest of the children of Radagon Marika; alongside Gaius he acted as an "older brother" to Radahn so he predates the coupling of Radagon and Rennala, yet there's no mention of fathers at all in anything surrounding Messmer. Although Marika is noted to have had bastards before, I think it's pretty telling that parentage is never mentioned for Messmer when it is for literally every other demigod we know of.. except Melina, his little sister who also dreamed of fire.

In speaking of his little sister Melina, suspected of being the Gloam-Eyed Queen, it's notable that the Godskin apostles, her disciples, also have snake features. The Godskin noble (Fatboy) has a serpent's tail and the Godskin apostle (Slim) stretches out and moves like the manserpents in Gelmir. Melina (at least as the GEQ), like Messmer, also has fire and serpent symbology. The Godslayer's Greatsword also has the helix design.

So, why is it that both Messmer and Melina have "dreams of fire" and serpent imagery, and are the only demigod siblings unaccounted for in terms of parentage? What is the "original sin" characters keep talking about? Maybe it's the genocide of the Hornsent, but in the trailer we hear the phrase "the seduction and the betrayal" whilst Marika takes something thready and golden from what looks like the head of a serpent-like creature ("Shorn of light"). There are plenty of allusions here to the Garden of Eden, in which a snake sent from Satan tempts Eve into breaking the laws of God. My crackpot theory is that the father of Messmer and Melina was this serpent, and she later betrayed it to get whatever that golden substance was, apparently necessary for her ascent to godhood.

Consequently, if your theory about the base serpent and the god-devouring serpent being two halves of the same whole, the god-devouring serpent being "an ancient traitor to the Erdtree" makes sense, if Marika betrayed and slew its other half it would have every reason to act against it.

anyways, loved the video, and love that someone else is looking at this game from an occult/alchemical perspective. Earned a like and a sub from me!

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As a thought in the story trailer Marika is show with a serpent bracelet never seen in game, or the 3 styles of statues of her. I think it is very likely she had involvement with the serpent god (mercurius to coin you). I think the Horsent were stumbling in the dark with their jar experiments, but lucked out with a combination of factors with Marika.

0962544: Shame we'll get no godwynn undrwater dlc tho

asiblingproduction: One point: by Omen, Max likely means hornsent.

Jul 26 2024

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