mikeekim8567: lore community slowly descending into insanity since the dlc dropped

Miyazaki what have you done
Herr_Gamer: The more and more I see of this stuff, the more of a surefire bet it is to call Ranni’s ending the true ending. It also does help that it is one of two endings with a meaningfully different cutscene
falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962: I need to push back a little:

The reason the Dragonkin have open guts and tree roots is because they are augmented trolls that the Nox used in an attempt to create their own dragons. This is why we see a Silver Tear transform into a Troll near the Fingerslayer Blade.

Godwyn's tail is not a Lamprey tail, but a Basilisk's tail, and Basilisks are native to the LB, which is why the 2nd Dancing Lion has a Basilisk/Deathroot phase in the dlc. Godwyn was used by Marika as a vessel to contain Deathroot, just as she used her other children and Shadowbound Beast to contain Rot, Destined Death, the GEQ, and the Abyssal Serpent. This is why Deathroot writhes out of his eye when he perishes in soul. His will/soul no longer restrains Deathroot.
mr.xenosvarietygarden3695: After the DLC I was under the impression that after Godwyn made peace with the Ancient Dragons, They inducted Godwyn into Dragon Communion as well as the tree sentinals that were inspired by him. Since they were given red lighting and their horses can breath fire from being fed dragon hearts.
nickperri6571: This mad man comes out of nowhere two months ago and is now about to explain the story of Elden Ring that no one else could. God bless ya, bud. This is impressive, I’m looking forward to the future video and shorts you mentioned
hinkelstein1494: The thing with Godwyn is that he is essentially THE Crucible Knight.

He is the son of Godfrey, who is the leader of the Crucible Knights, and he bears their icon, the Herb of Many Aspects (the 1.00 name of the description of the Crucible Knights Armor), on his piece of cloth. His corpse is also guarded by the leader of the Crucible Knights, and he was placed at the Great Roots, which are clearly connected to the Crucible in some way. Furthermore, both of his brothers are Omen, beings that are essentially forced to bear certain signs of the Crucible permanently.


What is happening to his body in undeath is that he is perpetually casting all the aspects of the Crucible, which is why he has become a fish/clam/whatever person (imagine if the DLC Crucible Knight that just grows a weird horse body, but never changes back because he has brain damage or whatever). The helmet most likely depicts the form he took with the power of the Crucible to fight Fortissax. He took on a form resembling a dragon, which is, in truth, a culmination of multiple animals, representing the many aspects of the Crucible. The clam head and his fishtail are part of an aspect of the Crucible that is connected to sealife. This is the whole deal with the malformed dragon knights as well—they are trying to imitate Godwyn, but they don't possess the Crucible aspect powers. This is somewhat proven to be connected to the Tree Sentinels since Godwyn's personal guard are also just Tree Sentinels, much like the malformed dragon knights, as evidenced by their music being just a remix of the former.

While I think Marika is involved in the production of the Dragonkin Soldiers, I believe they are an entirely different subject on their own. However, I agree that the helmet clearly depicts Godwyn's fish form from a time before his undeath.
svenstevenson2245: On the wriggling on godwyns body in the intro cutscene:

Had seen some theories that perhaps godwin was not in fact the perfect heir and was too cursed from birth with death root.
JackisaMimic: Nice mimics
NeedsContent: One thing the DLC made clear is that things having to do with death or the afterlife take on an oceanic theme. We have the mariners, we have lingering spirits around graveyards turning into jellyfish, spirit eels in the shadow lands, and even the giant coffins are build to resemble giant boats. For whatever reason, things tied to spirits begin to take on an oceanic theme.
giacobbosauro: Damn, the lampreys insight was wild. Loved it! Cannot wait for your masterpiece!
PierceArner: So, a few things: It's worth noting that the helmet's design predates that version of the lore. In the 1.00 version of the game whose lore is SIGNIFICANTLY more dragon-centric, this is also an armor set that belongs to a completely unique character. (Also, the Dragonkin Soldiers' bodies are born from the Trolls whose stomachs are also hollowed out while they're alive and are wholly unrelated to the Lampreys & finger Sorceries from the Land of Shadow).

First, it's worth recalling the description of the Tree Sentinel Set: “Golden armor of a Tree Sentinel, stout knights who serve the Erdtree. Imposingly sturdy and nigh unbreakable, the blessing of old yet lingers.”
odintillgren3212: The way FromSoft lore works, the detail of the lamprey eyes and the eye of Godwyn could either be the kind of detail Miyazaki planted like "This will be the key to a well of lore", or something the developers will see and go "Huh, I never noticed that. Neat". Could go either way. 50/50
zrswitch8434: I'm gonna have to argue a bit here that it makes no sense for Marika to have set up Godwyn as a sacrifice. Its highly likely that Marika herself knew that that the Greater Will was already long gone but we know for a fact that Ranni doesn't know this.

Ranni's plan was flawed from the start since it had always been about getting away from the Greater Will, a deity that had already gone. We even know that Marika's rule was flawed from the start due to that same fact.

Sep 04 2024

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