robertdelgado544: Aliens. That is now my new explanation for everything in Elden Ring. Aliens
Ale-dd3ek: Fighting kid named finger wasn't what I expected in the dlc
headecas: Friend: whats the lore of elden ring?
Me: well, ancient astronaut theorists believe...
bigsmall2842: Metyr and shaman village were the main highlights of the dlc lore-wise.
rhymenoceros3303: There's also the scary implication that if Metyr and the Fingers were cut off from the Greater Will that everything they told Marika and us the player has been nothing but stuff they made up. All the suffering and terrible things that have happened in the Lands Between might be the end result of alien fingers thinking "Uh, yeah sure let's go with that."
MortalReaver: Metyr's tail is spiral. Spirals are everywhere in this DLC dude.
Shaurya__Tripathi: Miyazaki is the greater will.....
evilfungas: I think Metyr was forced to bow to the Elden Beast. The Elden Beast remembrance is the only other description which speaks of the Greater Will sending a star and I think we're meant to connect it to that. What seems plausible to me is that the Fingers, abandoned by the Greater Will, guided Marika to use the Gate of Divinity to commune with the Greater Will. This summoned the Elden Beast, which, as the Elden Beast remembrance says, became the Elden Ring, which Marika became the vessel of. Marika, whose village is next to the Finger ruins, would be motivated to do this because her people were being oppressed by the Hornsent. I think there is a lot of circumstantial evidence which supports this view.
Mia-Mendez: What I needed to know was more about Melina and the gloam eyed queen but we didn’t get anything new about her.
jameshankel8219: The Nox wounding the Mother of the Fingers with the Finger Slayer Blade. Now there's a cool theory.
Snoike: Waltuh... Put your finger slayer blade away Waltuh...
Writh811: So for a few weeks I've been putting this out there but we can see the Greater Will. When you get Ymir's High Priest hat its description reads: "The hat of Count Ymir, High Priest. The circular design at the top represents the Greater Will and its lightless abyss." We understand that Metyr used the Microcosm to communicate with the Greater Will. If you look at the center of the Microcosm (you can look at the Fleeting Microcosm spell icon as well for a stable image) you can see an Abyssal Sphere at the center. It's not just an empty space, the sphere is defined. You can see it on the staff of the Great Beyond as well. The Microcosm spell seems to be like a window into space or like a "Zoom" call.
This leads me to believe the Black Moon that once hung over the Eternal Cities was likely an effigy of the Greater Will. If you look close, the Nox are ridiculously theistic. In the core game all Nox enemies have a role in their religion be they maidens (priestess) the swordstress who protect them or the male monks. If I was to go on a lore speculative walk with these thoughts I would say the pre-banished Nox attacked Metyr. Why, I'm not sure but if I were make something up I would say they felt she wasn't doing a good job or it could be a response to supporting Marika. They couldn't kill her but they wounded her, the last thing the Greater Will did in the Lands was banish the Nox underground while destroying their Black Moon effigy before being permanently cut off.
(This all feeds into my post DLC understanding of Ranni's storyline and why the Black Knives turn on her and what her ending means. But I won't sidetrack any further.)
LAK_770: I assumed Metyr’s resentment was primarily about becoming secondary and subservient to the Elden Beast and the new order. It seems likely that Marika’s ascension not only turned out poorly for the Hornsent, but also the Fingers. They expected a fresh start with a new god under their guidance, but were replaced by a new ‘falling star’. The fingers cling to power by claiming exclusive communication to the Greater Will, but in reality they’re almost completely superfluous beyond their lingering power to arbitrarily choose and manipulate Empyreans. I really like the idea about the Nox and Fingerslayer Blade as well, but it’s very difficult to place this chronologically and we’ll probably never know enough to confidently assume this.
rudydaberry122: What I needed to know was more about Melina and the gloam eyed queen but we didn’t get anything new about her
jordanbrayman3222: Thank you, Ziostorm! Your level- headed but enthusiastic approach to further understanding this game always enriches my day when a video drops! Like your style.
grandpa6065: I think what Ymir was implying by saying that everything was broken from the very start is that Metyr was already broken and therefore abandoned by the Greater Will prior to the Fingers meeting Marika. Meaning the Two Fingers never spoke to the Greater Will and therefore Marika cannot claim to be doing the Greater Will's bidding. It's all part of ER's general theme of "false prophets" and how divinity is used as a tool in the service of mortal conceits
xm4339: The lore of Metyr might also lend some insight as to the condition of the cursed empyreans.

We know that one major goal of the Fingers and Metyr is to produce empyreans so that new vassal gods of the Greater Will can be created and the Order could spread. But more empyreans and more gods at the same time mean the GW will have to send more Elden Beasts that would inhabit said empyreans.

This is where it gets interesting, the Fingers chose the empyreans and would tell Metyr that new empyreans are going to be born or are already born. Metyr would reach out to the GW in order to request for more Elden Beasts to be sent. Metyr broadcasted this message in space to the GW, but we now know GW has stopped responding, but this does not mean the message cannot be interpreted by other beings. Other Outer Gods.

Malenia, Miquella, Messmer, Melina - all of them are seemingly cursed. Metyr requested GW for Elden Beasts to be sent for these empyreans, but the message only managed to reach other Outer Gods.

Malenia cursed by the Outer God of Rot, Miquella by whichever God represents nascency, Messmer by the abyssal serpent, Melina something to do with the GEQ.

Metyr tried to expand the Golden Order but did the opposite by attracting other Outer Gods instead. This would also explain the presence of other Outer Gods in the realm of shadow - the Formless Mother and Rot God seem to have a strong presence here.
Varre922: A thought that came to my mind is what if Ranni was referring to Metyr when she said "I would not be controlled by that thing." since in the DLC we now know that the Two fingers are pretty much nothing but glorified radios,

Count Ymir saying that Marika and the Two Fingers were corrupt from the start also implies that Metyr was the one deciding the Empyreans during the age of the Erdtree, and she was just lying about doing the bidding of the Greater Will.

Is this a Sulyvahn situation where arguably the main villain of the entire game was this random creature?
balsamicsalad160: A fantasticly weird boss, Fromsoft is sitting on a goldmine of lore to bring out in the next game. Theorys being answered like the Gloam Eyed Queen being Melina, Godwyn and his revival, The Fingers and their orgins, Ect. You are doing God's work
loblo5542: One of the interesting things that won't ever be answered is the unused scene at the end of the first dlc trailer where Miquella raises his hand and reveals that the veil that was cast upon Land of Shadow is gone. And the fact that during the second phase transition cutscene of the final boss, according to Miquella's skeleton, Miquella is actually holding a bow when he appears from the gate of divinity.

Jul 08 2024

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